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JiminDenver
Explorer II
Jun 13, 2014

Pairing up the Eco-worthy 20a MPPT controller

Thanks to BFL confirming that the Eco-Worthy controller plays well when run with another controller, I felt pretty good about combining my two matched controllers. Each had one of the Bosch 245w mono panels aimed not perfect but good enough considering that they will be flat mounted. I used a fully charged 95 ah grp 27 so that I could move the voltage easier than the 8-D.

I used the inverter and a 1875w hair dryer as a load. I tried high but the voltage dropped so fast that the inverter shut off before I could check either the controllers or the meter on the battery. After shutting off the inverter the controllers put out a combined 28-30 amps until it hit float.

After it had been in float a bit I tried the low setting on the hair dryer. This time the batteries voltage only dropped to 12.3v and both controllers were putting out 13a average. I knew they were good for more so I disconnected one of the panels and the other controller shot up near 16a. This let the battery drop in voltage and when I plugged in the other panel, both systems ran close to 16a. They stayed that way until I shut off the hair dryer and inverter and let the battery come up.

I did find that I could use the high setting for short times if I started in low and let the controllers get ramped up. They were putting out 13a each until I hit high, then they jumped up above 16a each. The voltage did drop but slower this time. With the help of the solar, the hair dryer ran a minute before the inverters alarm went off.

I did get a chance to see the Mono panels with on and off clouds. Any significant clouding and the output dropped to 2.5a for each panel even if I was running a load. I didn't pull out the 230w poly but I've seen it do 3-4a in lower light. Just shutting down the inverter would save more amps than I'm losing, it's a real pig.

So I'm pretty happy with the combined systems. I'll probably see higher amps up at altitude but only if I'm running the microwave at high noon. With this in mind, I may go with the Rogue 30a instead of the Morningstar 45a for mounting and save the money. Clipping may not be a issue often and it would only be a few amps at peak hours.

Last thing is about the absorb cycle on the Eco-worthys. Even if I set the absorb at 15v, it didn't last. The controller would come out of bulk, switch to absorb and raise the voltage to the set point. As soon as it hit that the controllers dropped to float. I will say that 32a pushes a grp 27 around pretty easy. Next test it will be the 8-D, it doesn't push so easy.

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  • It is sad, really. Logic has gone out the window and you have sold out!!! You have been lured into wanting to make your controller set-points on your laptop over any actual solar considerations! Lie down till the feeling goes away, and stay on as a true blue Eco-W man. You can do it! Just say, "No!"
  • Almot

    I was seeing 211w from each panel today and I figure they would put out around 35a at peak up there. I was seeing 212w and above 16a from the 230w poly last year. That was only under load though. Usually the batteries were in float long before noon. That's the other reason I don't think clipping would be a issue even up there.

    BFL

    The Eco-Ws offer advantages in that they can push 16-17a into the two banks or combined have the punch to make a difference on a larger bank that's down. The thing is I want to mount my nice pretty matched panels and don't room for a twin set of wires, switches, fuses, ect. It will be one controller for one bank.

    I have also been removing the batteries from the rig when it's not in use and with a 8-D, that's a pain. With the system mounted, I can leave the batteries with the trailer. We get from 20 below to 105f here and without a remote temperature and voltage sensor I don't think the Eco-Ws are the best choice. They are great for fair weather camping though.

    The other panels will go on craigslist but not until after I'm done with the mounting. Once I know 490w is enough, I can sell the other panels with a controller as a system and easily double or triple my money. I could keep the 230w system to augment but I'd really rather not.
  • Good report. Whyinheck are you still planning to pee away money on a new controller when you are already getting max from the two Eco-Ws?

    I am assuming your 230w and 220w panels are on Craig's list already :)
  • Almot's avatar
    Almot
    Explorer III
    JiminDenver wrote:
    I felt pretty good about combining my two matched controllers. Each had one of the Bosch 245w mono panels

    What you did is not quite "pairing up". When each controller has its own panel, and 2 combined controller outputs are powering same bank in parallel, it will work even if controllers (and/or panels) are not identical. With identical controllers and panels it will work too :)...

    JiminDenver wrote:
    I'll probably see higher amps up at altitude but only if I'm running the microwave at high noon. With this in mind, I may go with the Rogue 30a instead of the Morningstar 45a for mounting and save the money. Clipping may not be a issue often and it would only be a few amps at peak hours.

    Nice thing about Rogue is that in the evening it gives you a report on display - how many Ah in, what was the peak wattage etc. In theory, there should've been clipping for arrays 420 AH and higher. My 490 flat array never showed more than 400W. What clipping... Though winter Mexico at sea level isn't the same as Colorado mountains, especially if you bother with tilt.

    Btw, wiring diagram in the Rogue manual describes exactly this scenario - 2 controllers from 2 separate arrays powering same bank. Duh...