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My wife and I generally pull the camper out on a weekend and then leave it there for weeks at a time. We pull it to a nearby dump station when we need to dump or add water. We cycle LP tanks to keep the fridge cold.
Last weekend, we returned to our camper after two weeks of leaving it unattended. The batteries were COMPLETELY dead. This seemed odd to me. I mean, assuming we turn everything off before we leave, the only draws are the LP/CO detectors and the little current draw to run the fridge in LP mode, right?
So how much juice do these items consume?
After doing some internet research, I found one site where some dude claimed these items add up to approximately 37Ah in a 24 hour period. I've seen other sites say the fridge pulls 17-20Ah per day by itself in LP mode. The fridge is a Dometic fridge/freezer, I don't have the model number handy but it's from 2004.
Do these numbers sound right?
I have 210Ah of AGM batteries installed. If these numbers are close, then that would certainly explain the dead batteries.
This brings me to the solar panel install. I guess a secondary question would be, do you guys think a single 100W panel would be sufficient for the sole purpose of keeping the batteries topped off when the camper is unattended?
I don't mind occasionally running the generator(s) when we are actually out there using the camper.
Thanks in advance!","body@stringLength":"1630","rawBody":"I am getting ready to add a small solar system to the top of my 5er to keep the batteries topped off when we leave the camper at the lake for extended periods. My wife and I generally pull the camper out on a weekend and then leave it there for weeks at a time. We pull it to a nearby dump station when we need to dump or add water. We cycle LP tanks to keep the fridge cold.
Last weekend, we returned to our camper after two weeks of leaving it unattended. The batteries were COMPLETELY dead. This seemed odd to me. I mean, assuming we turn everything off before we leave, the only draws are the LP/CO detectors and the little current draw to run the fridge in LP mode, right?
So how much juice do these items consume?
After doing some internet research, I found one site where some dude claimed these items add up to approximately 37Ah in a 24 hour period. I've seen other sites say the fridge pulls 17-20Ah per day by itself in LP mode. The fridge is a Dometic fridge/freezer, I don't have the model number handy but it's from 2004.
Do these numbers sound right?
I have 210Ah of AGM batteries installed. If these numbers are close, then that would certainly explain the dead batteries.
This brings me to the solar panel install. I guess a secondary question would be, do you guys think a single 100W panel would be sufficient for the sole purpose of keeping the batteries topped off when the camper is unattended?
I don't mind occasionally running the generator(s) when we are actually out there using the camper.
pianotuna wrote: Just remember that if the voltage to the controller is doubled, the voltage drop is reduced by 50%. Be aware that losses in the MPPT controller rise with the input voltage. Worst case is about 96%.
I do harvest 17 amps from a 256 watt flat fixed installation, with panels in series/parallel giving a controller input voltage of 33. My line losses between panels and controller are on the order of 1%. They would be much higher if I had gone all parallel.
Trying to stay 12v here for both PWM and MPPT to not confuse the voltage drop comparison and the whole thing about wire gauge with 24 vs 12.
On the \"12v\" controller to array wires, with PWM you have battery voltage (12-15v) and with MPPT you would have 17v Vmp during the Bulk stage, so only a little higher voltage with MPPT there.
The amps on that wire pair would be the 25 amps with PWM at Isc value, and Imp with MPPT being a little less in amps.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-08-15T11:49:21.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-08-15T11:49:21.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":682},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2990387/message:2990426","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:37":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:37","position":25,"name":"Nomad III","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:36953":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:36953","uid":36953,"login":"pianotuna","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2004-12-18T06:52:06.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:37"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:36953"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2990425":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2990425","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2990425":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:36953"},"id":"message:2990425","revisionNum":1,"uid":2990425,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2990387"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2990387"},"subject":"Re: Parasitic Draw on RV?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2990425"},"body":"Just remember that if the voltage to the controller is doubled, the voltage drop is reduced by 50%. Be aware that losses in the MPPT controller rise with the input voltage. Worst case is about 96%.
I do harvest 17 amps from a 256 watt flat fixed installation, with panels in series/parallel giving a controller input voltage of 33. My line losses between panels and controller are on the order of 1%. They would be much higher if I had gone all parallel.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-08-15T11:37:29.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-08-15T11:37:29.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":682},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2990387/message:2990425","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2990424":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2990424","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2990424":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:63866"},"id":"message:2990424","revisionNum":1,"uid":2990424,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2990387"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2990387"},"subject":"Re: Parasitic Draw on RV?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2990424"},"body":"You could get 25 amps to the battery with PWM and the 400w array, so it is all about distance for the wire gauge. (tables for that)
The voltage on the controller to array wires is battery voltage with PWM, so voltage drop importance is not so clear to me. You do want the amps though.
With MPPT on the controller to array wiring, voltage drop is important because it affects the \"watts in\" to the controller, which then has \"watts out\" and you divide that by battery voltage to get your amps to the battery.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-08-15T11:20:17.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-08-15T11:20:17.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":682},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2990387/message:2990424","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2990423":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2990423","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2990423":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:29440"},"id":"message:2990423","revisionNum":1,"uid":2990423,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2990387"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2990387"},"subject":"Re: Parasitic Draw on RV?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2990423"},"body":"Alright, good news. There was an issue with the charge controller and it is now functioning correctly and showing actual output.
Today will be a fun day to see what the PV system harvests and if that will be enough to offset the normal daily draw of the camper.
I will report back.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-08-15T11:19:45.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-08-15T11:19:45.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":682},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2990387/message:2990423","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:40":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:40","position":31,"name":"Explorer III","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:295167":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:295167","uid":295167,"login":"Almot","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2010-03-02T18:19:24.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:295167"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2990422":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2990422","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2990422":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:295167"},"id":"message:2990422","revisionNum":1,"uid":2990422,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2990387"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2990387"},"subject":"Re: Parasitic Draw on RV?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2990422"},"body":"
pianotuna wrote: two words
Voltage Drop
Yep. Rated cable ampacity, i.e. max current that the cable can carry before it melts down, is a different thing.
Voltage drop exists with MPPT controllers as well, but far less important than with PWM because currents are lower. Ex, with MPPT #10 cable would suffice for arrays up to 700W if not more. With PWM you'll need at least #8 for planned 400W - BFL is probably right about this, I never owned PWM - and you won't be able to expand to 600W that SC-2030 allows. It's also nice to be able to use MC4 extension cable all the way to controller, and I doubt they come beefier than #8.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-08-15T10:53:18.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-08-15T10:53:18.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":414},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2990387/message:2990422","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2990421":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2990421","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2990421":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:36953"},"id":"message:2990421","revisionNum":1,"uid":2990421,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2990387"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2990387"},"subject":"Re: Parasitic Draw on RV?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2990421"},"body":"two words
Voltage Drop
LipschitzWrath wrote:
Kinda getting off-topic but I never understood this. Even at 12V, 400W = 33A. 10AWG is capable of that, and 8AWG, like I have, is rated to 40A. In reality, panel voltages are higher, which translates to less current, which only improves this.
I guess what I am driving at is I don't understand why people are running 4AWG cable to their panels when they have a 400W array.
Are they just doing it to minimze resistance?
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LipschitzWrath wrote:
BFL13 wrote: You want the 500a shunt not the 100a so when you get the 2000w inverter that is coming next :) you can pull over a 100a and have no issues.
Some places sell the Tri with everything, and some sell the items separately. If you use the 500a shunt as your buss/junction, be aware the bolts in the shunt are quite short and can only hold a few ring lugs stacked at a time, so you might still want the buss/junction to have more places to put ring lugs.
The solar controller that goes with the Tri has a shunt too ISTR and it gets convoluted for sharing shunts and all that. Was a thread about this recently. You are probably ok with the controller you have.
#8 to the roof should be fine, but you will be able to tell once you are out in the sun and check the controller's display for \"expected amps\"
Why on earth does the SC-2030 need a shunt? If connected to the TM-2030, why can't that information be shared? Seems stupid to have two shunts.
I have that wrong, thinking about that Kid (sp?) one. Sorry!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-08-14T11:38:54.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-08-14T11:38:54.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":372},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2990387/message:2990420","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2990419":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2990419","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2990419":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:29440"},"id":"message:2990419","revisionNum":1,"uid":2990419,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2990387"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2990387"},"subject":"Re: Parasitic Draw on RV?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2990419"},"body":"
BFL13 wrote: You want the 500a shunt not the 100a so when you get the 2000w inverter that is coming next :) you can pull over a 100a and have no issues.
Some places sell the Tri with everything, and some sell the items separately. If you use the 500a shunt as your buss/junction, be aware the bolts in the shunt are quite short and can only hold a few ring lugs stacked at a time, so you might still want the buss/junction to have more places to put ring lugs.
The solar controller that goes with the Tri has a shunt too ISTR and it gets convoluted for sharing shunts and all that. Was a thread about this recently. You are probably ok with the controller you have.
#8 to the roof should be fine, but you will be able to tell once you are out in the sun and check the controller's display for \"expected amps\"
Why on earth does the SC-2030 need a shunt? If connected to the TM-2030, why can't that information be shared? Seems stupid to have two shunts.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-08-14T11:34:27.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-08-14T11:34:27.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":374},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2990387/message:2990419","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2990418":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2990418","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2990418":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:63866"},"id":"message:2990418","revisionNum":1,"uid":2990418,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2990387"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2990387"},"subject":"Re: Parasitic Draw on RV?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2990418"},"body":"You want the 500a shunt not the 100a so when you get the 2000w inverter that is coming next :) you can pull over a 100a and have no issues.
Some places sell the Tri with everything, and some sell the items separately. If you use the 500a shunt as your buss/junction, be aware the bolts in the shunt are quite short and can only hold a few ring lugs stacked at a time, so you might still want the buss/junction to have more places to put ring lugs.
The solar controller that goes with the Tri has a shunt too ISTR and it gets convoluted for sharing shunts and all that. Was a thread about this recently. You are probably ok with the controller you have.
#8 to the roof should be fine, but you will be able to tell once you are out in the sun and check the controller's display for \"expected amps\"","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-08-14T11:15:49.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-08-14T11:15:49.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":373},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2990387/message:2990418","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2990417":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2990417","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2990417":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:29440"},"id":"message:2990417","revisionNum":1,"uid":2990417,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2990387"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2990387"},"subject":"Re: Parasitic Draw on RV?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2990417"},"body":"
Almot wrote: Somehow I missed this:
The good news is the solar kit I bought is easily scalable to 400 watts without any other modifications
Yes, if you route the cable from panels to controller beefy enough for 400W. Especially with PWM controllers.
Kinda getting off-topic but I never understood this. Even at 12V, 400W = 33A. 10AWG is capable of that, and 8AWG, like I have, is rated to 40A. In reality, panel voltages are higher, which translates to less current, which only improves this.
I guess what I am driving at is I don't understand why people are running 4AWG cable to their panels when they have a 400W array.
Are they just doing it to minimze resistance?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-08-14T10:54:50.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-08-14T10:54:50.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":372},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2990387/message:2990417","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1740868841778":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1740868841778","value":{"ariaLabelClosed":"Press the down arrow to open the menu"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1740868841778":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1740868841778","value":{"escalationMessage":"Escalated to Salesforce by {username} on {date}","viewDetails":"View Details","modalTitle":"Case Details","escalatedBy":"Escalated by: ","escalatedOn":"Escalated on: ","caseNumber":"Case Number: ","status":"Status: ","lastUpdateDate":"Last Update: ","automaticEscalation":"automatic escalation","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1740868841778":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1740868841778","value":{"authorName":"View Profile: {author}","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1740868841778":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1740868841778","value":{"rankName":"{rankName}","userRank":"Author rank {rankName}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1740868841778":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1740868841778","value":{"postTime":"Published: {time}","lastPublishTime":"Last Update: {time}","conversation.lastPostingActivityTime":"Last posting activity time: {time}","conversation.lastPostTime":"Last post time: {time}","moderationData.rejectTime":"Rejected time: {time}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1740868841778":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1740868841778","value":{"solved":"Solved"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1740868841778":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1740868841778","value":{"noSubject":"(no subject)"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1740868841778":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1740868841778","value":{"showMessageBody":"Show More","mentionsErrorTitle":"{mentionsType, select, board {Board} user {User} message {Message} other {}} No Longer Available","mentionsErrorMessage":"The {mentionsType} you are trying to view has been removed from the community.","videoProcessing":"Video is being processed. 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