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landyacht318
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Oct 30, 2013

Problem Circuit

When I got my current vehicle, the fuse for the blower motor had obviously melted out its receptacle in the fuse panel.

The previous owner had wired in an inline type glass fuse. This owners manual and factory service manual this circuit it is to be fused at 30 amps. It was/is.

This aftermarket inline fuse melted a few years into ownership, and I replaced it with another inline fuse which appeared to be much higher quality.

This one Lasted a few years and the same issue happened. I replaced the glass fuse holder with an ATC fuse with 12 awg leads and used quality crimps.

I thought the problem was solved and have been talking******about inline glass fuse holders for years.

Tonight was a bit cooler, I cranked the blower motor on high, heater blasting, and soon after, I smelled rancid burning plastic. I'd shut off the blower but smoke was already coming from the area where the ATC fuse holder resides, near the original fuse panel. Luckily I was at my destination and shut off my engine and turned my battery switch to off.

I did not have another ATC fuse holder on hand that I was willing to sacrifice from some other less important circuit, but I did have an unused ready to go MAXI fuse with 8awg leads. The original circuit is 14 or possible 12awg. I only have 20 or 100 amp fuses for this maxi fuse, instead of the 30 amp the manual calls for. I installed the 20 amp fuse, obviously.

After hydraulically crimping the maxifuse inline with 2 layers of heatshrink, I turned my battery switch back on, clamped my Craftsman DC ammeter over the 8 awg cable, turned on the ignition, zeroed the meter with blower motor off. Then turned on the ignition, engine off.

12.44 battery voltage at time of test
low speed fan: 4.52 amps and read 12.08 volts probing the maxifuse and nearby clean ground.
Med speed fan: 6.73 amps and read 11.90 volts """
highspeed fan: 10.04 amps and read 11.59 """"
Max speed fan: 14.22 amps and reads 11.26 """"

These numbers kind of say to me that the blower motor is not failing, but the fact that this circuit has been recurring problem over the last decade, on the same blower motor says something else, what I do not yet know. Years ago I noticed that the blower motor had been replaced before my ownership. There were some obviously non factory crimps on the power leads. I redid them with quality crimps and shrinkwrap.



The 30 amp fuse as specified for the circuit never blew all previous fuses have never blown. Always it was the fuse holder which melted. It now has a 20 amp fuse in it, and it did not blow during my tests, but the engine was not running and the blower motor did not have time to heat up the circuit much.

The fact that it is melting at the fuse holder indicates the problem is the fuse holder itself, does it not? Perhaps the whole circuit is undersized for the load from the factory. I am not the only one to have issues with this vehicle and particular circuit.

Kind of wondering if my new maxifuse holder with 8 awg leads will just move the next melting point somewhere less accessible and perhaps more dangerous.

Opinions?
  • When I accidentally discovered Chinese fuses use lots of unplated aluminum in them I bailed out. Littleman fuses for me from now on. Tin plated copper. An aluminum ATO/ATC blade can get so hot the plastic houses melt, and naturally the crimped copper terminal and wire is going to take the lashes for the chintziness.

    A friend showed me a Chinese ATO fuse originally green in color rated for 30 amps. He connected it on a test bench and proceeded to put more than 70 amps through it for several seconds before the plastic housing caught fire.

    My philosophy is I will need fuses fuses when a problem crops up which may be never for that circuit. So I use made-in USA fuses, Any more I NEVER use an inline circuit breaker without connecting it to a pair of wires and shorting it across the battery. I've had a few new breakers achieve total short circuit and overheat the 10 gauge cross-link test leads. Right before the guts of the breaker blew out of the housing smoking. A breaker MUST take a full short in stride and come out smiling. Dozens and dozens of times.

    OXYMORON: Chinese safety equipment

    BTW Chrysler and for that matter all USA car manufacturers learned a bitter lesson with firewall bulkhead connectors and .250" faston and Packard style connectors. No matter WHAT size wire was crimped to these types of slip on connector, 30 amperes was the bitter-end upper current limit and over several years that 30 amp figure degraded horribly.

    If a person is CAREFUL with it, white heatsink compound use for mounting transistors and rectifiers can be applied to the sliding surfaces of a slip together wire terminal. But the compound is EXTREMELY conductive. I use a toothpick after I solder the slip on terminal to the wire. The toothpick is tiny. Applying white heat sink compound (zinc oxide the same stuff skiers smear on their nose) on both sides of a blade or bullet terminal can dramatically reduce oxidation and conductivity problems over the long haul. I would not be without this stuff. Go to the drug store and ask the salesperson for a tube of "Zinc Oxide Paste". But be mighty careful how you apply it. I buy this paste by the jar and if it is too runny, I leave the cap off for a couple of weeks until it stiffens up.
  • Hmmm. A green 30 amp chinese fuse?



    I actually do not know the origin of this particular fuse, nor the 12 gauge ATC fuse holder. Probably SAE






    Note this is the only damaged wire. Even the crimp connectors a few inches away were still fine.

    I drove around today for a while with motor on high. Maxi Fuse/wiring didn't even feel warm.



    The maxifuse looks a bit funny as is. Makes it easy to get my clamp on ammeter over it though , or fondle it while driving :)
  • Current draw for the motor 4 speeds sounds abnormally high to me. I have repaired dc motors like these by cleaning the commutator slots of packed carbon from the brushes normal wear. Conductive carbon can pack into the slots and partialy short one segment to the other causing higher current draw.
    You have to disassemble, clean all the groves and reinstall to do all this so it is probably easier for most people to just replace the motor.
    I suspect that may be the problem here.

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