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BFL13
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Apr 22, 2014

PWM vs MPPT Test Results

Today (blue sky, not quite to STC at this date at this latitude 49.3N but almost according to the calculator on that) I was able to run a test on my 230w panel and Eco-Worthy 20a MPPT controller.

I could at last compare the amps I got with an equivalent 230w on PWM. Result was a slight MPPT advantage in amps. EG 9.2/10.07, 11.85/12.74, 13.44/15.32, and 14.50/16.65 going from am-high noon.

Comparison was with a 130w panel proportioned up to 230w which I have found to be valid in previous tests using eg, 200w (two 100w) in same location. I won't repeat all that proof here, so if you haven't seen that stuff before, just have to trust me on the PWM amps used to compare. :)

So--- just taking the MPPT performance at high noon with some measurements that may be of interest to MPPT experts (or not!)

230w Hanwha panel- specs Vmp-30, Imp-7.7, Voc- 37.0, Isc- 8.3

Conditions at test: Voc 35.0, Isc 8.92 Ambient temp 16C/60F Temp at back of panel (aimed at sun at high noon) 44C (using infrared therm.)

Array to controller voltage drop not connected-Voc only, 0.3v
Voltage drop array to controller with 16a to battery 0.4v

So actual measurements at high noon were:
- array voltage at controller 29.2,
-batt voltage 12.3, amps into battery 16.65,
-Eco-W watts reading 205w, so it uses batt v and the amps.

The Eco-W has a little fun program to compare MPPT with PWM at any time. It said MPPT 17.00, PWM 8.92, Efficiency 91%. Note that 8.92a is the same as the Isc I took at the panel when disconnected.

So bottom line is I got slightly more amps than with PWM. Whether that is "worth it" is very situational and not the topic, but these results might help individuals evaluate that for their own situations.

PS. For the geeks, with the battery voltage climbing and about an hour before high noon I got:
-batt v 13.4 and 15.32a , 205w, array v at controller-29.3

I then turned on a bunch of 12v stuff to lower the batt v to see if that made any difference. Got:
-batt v 12.7, 16.48a, 210w, array v at controller-29.0

While fiddling with the panel and changing batt loading, I saw the Eco-W readings get a little unstable-- one time saw 17.13a unfortunately it all settled quickly to the mid-16s for amps :)

Perhaps in two months when solar conditions peak for the solstice, I will see more amps at high noon. I don't know if the test today shows there is "room to grow" for that or not, but maybe some experts could tell that from the above measurements.

19 Replies

  • I'd also be interested in seeing a more "mainstream" controller used. Morningstar would be perfect....

    The % increase is what I tell people to expect - 10-15% is typical. You can get more...but not usually. I've seen 25%, but rarely. The benefit of MPPT to me is not so much the "boost" but the ability to use high voltage grid tie panels that are typically cheaper per watt, and the ability to keep voltage drop under control more easily. The "boost" is a bonus, IMO.

    Nice test.... :)
  • The comparison I would like to see is a more well known i.e. Morningstar MPPT vs Morningstar PMW solar controller. The price point on the Ecoworthy is more in line with a PMW controller and I am suspicious of their "simulated" reading.
    I would love to do a comparison showing how they work. I recently bought an Oscilloscope input to the lap top and want to check wave forms etc.
  • smkettner wrote:
    I can't wait for the shade tests ;)


    We are out in the open, so can't do shade tests. We do get cloudy rainy days but that is different from shade AFAIK.
  • pianotuna wrote:
    Hi BFL13,

    Converted to percentage

    9.200/10.07 ~= 8.7 % more

    11.85/12.74 ~= 8.7 % more

    13.44/15.32 ~= 12.2 % more

    14.50/16.65 ~= 12.2 % more

    BFL13 wrote:
    I could at last compare the amps I got with an equivalent 230w on PWM. Result was a slight MPPT advantage in amps. EG 9.2/10.07, 11.85/12.74, 13.44/15.32, and 14.50/16.65 going from am-high noon.


    I think the % increase is even higher than you show. Here is my calculation. I think you divided by the MPPT A not PWM amp.

    for case one 9.2A
    Increase % is 10.07-9.2=0.87A 0.87/9.2= 9.4%

    11.85/12.74= 7.5%
    13.44/15.32 =14%
    14.5/16.65 = 15.1%

    Noticeable % increase.
  • pianotuna wrote:
    Hi BFL13,

    Converted to percentage

    9.200/10.07 ~= 8.7 % more

    11.85/12.74 ~= 8.7 % more

    13.44/15.32 ~= 12.2 % more

    14.50/16.65 ~= 12.2 % more

    BFL13 wrote:
    I could at last compare the amps I got with an equivalent 230w on PWM. Result was a slight MPPT advantage in amps. EG 9.2/10.07, 11.85/12.74, 13.44/15.32, and 14.50/16.65 going from am-high noon.


    PT, the way I do math, 15.32-13.44 = 1.88 and 1.88/13.44= 14% more

    That was with the battery voltage still up there. When I took the next set of readings at high noon, with the battery voltage knocked back down with a bunch of loads, I got that 16.65-14.50 = 2.15/14.50 = 14.8% more

    Anyway, there is more of a gain when the battery voltage is lower confirming that MPPT story.

    Percentages make everything look wonderful, but don't forget that 2a more all day, if it stood at 2a would be a whole 20AH more of a daily haul. That is peanuts to me, but might be significant for somebody else. That is why you can't know what is "worth it" unless you know the other fellow's situation.

    I hope I got the voltage measurements that were requested for this test. No idea what anybody might make of them.
  • The percentages are consistent with the expected results of PWM vs MPPT. A comparison on 2 17V panels in parallel on PMW and the same panels in series on MPPT would be a more direct comparison.

    For a variety extrapolating the PWM results can add inaccuracies including technology, manufacturing etc.
  • Hi BFL13,

    Converted to percentage

    9.200/10.07 ~= 8.7 % more

    11.85/12.74 ~= 8.7 % more

    13.44/15.32 ~= 12.2 % more

    14.50/16.65 ~= 12.2 % more

    BFL13 wrote:
    I could at last compare the amps I got with an equivalent 230w on PWM. Result was a slight MPPT advantage in amps. EG 9.2/10.07, 11.85/12.74, 13.44/15.32, and 14.50/16.65 going from am-high noon.
  • At least now you are beginning to see the numbers you expected with the 230w in bright light. The more interesting comparison with MPPT vs PWM will be in lower light conditions.

    Soon I should have a new controller for the new panels and will be able to compare it's out put with the Eco-W side by side.