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landyacht318
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May 29, 2016

Some battery temperature data during high amp recharge

Northstar group27 AGM battery. 90Ah capacity.

5:58AM 53Ah from full, 12.1v under 0.8 amp load
62.2f battery, 61.3f Ambient

Apply Meanwell's 40 amps set to 14.9v( accounting for voltage drop on wiring at 40 amps)
35 minutes later at ~14.6v at battery terminals, amps begin tapering from 39.1.
Temperature 73f
~1 hour later 14.6v accepting 21 amps...... 78.9F.

~ 5 hours later accepting 0.4 amps at 14.5v, 72F, ambient ~67.4f

Battery warmed more than expected. Ambient temperature only increased 6 degrees during the ~6.5 hour charge.

Thermocouple sensor tip located on side of case, on middle cell, mid height with a big blog of arctic silver thermal grease held in place with black Gaffers tape and one layer of reflectix over that surrounding 4 battery sides.

More glad than ever I can control the voltage the alternator is allowed to maintain when driving. The 14.9v the original VR allowed, combined with a hot battery, has to have been bad for this AGM, which is on about deep cycle #350, yet still performing admirably, as long as it gets this high amp recharge every so many deep cycles.

Battery located Not in engine compartment, but under van body behind driver's seat. The sensor's location allows it to read engine heat when driving and it takes a minute or 3 after engine shutdown for an accurate battery case temperature reading. This engine heat in this location is also more than expected. Longer highway drives likely help heat battery much more than expected in this location.

Overall, I greatly underestimated battery temperature rise during charging, and when alternator charging, this heating can be even more pronounced, and detrimental when voltage is allowed to be held up in the high 14's.

I've been using this 4 channel K type thermocouple device, and so far have sensors located on battery, alternator casing, and voltage regulator transpo540HD added heatsink.

http://www.amazon.com/Perfect-Prime-4-Channel-Thermometer-Thermocouple--200~1372%C2%B0C/dp/B0142HFA06/ref=sr_1_9?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1464559464&sr=1-9&keywords=k+type+thermocouple

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  • It is an AGM battery with certain recombinant abilities, and no listed upper limit on initial charging amps.

    Whether the vent has opened and allowed some gas to release is an unknown. What I can say is the battery performs very well, and behaves much better after a high amp recharge from 50% to a 0.5% capacity amp tapering at absorption voltage. Behaves much better than a low and slow solar only return to full.

    While I can notice it lost some of its violent engine cranking ability in its ~32 month lifespan and 350 deep cycles, based on voltage alone during discharge for the AH removed to the 50% range, I can detect no loss of total capacity. I am sure there is capacity loss, but in 100% to 50% depletion levels, I am not seeing any obvious signs of it, and am impressed with this battery, so much so that i no longer have a dedicated engine starting or house battery but use this one battery for both duties, and without fear.

    All my available charging source's voltage, can now be precisely controlled, which was not the case when this battery was new and first started cycling. I was a the mercy of my vehicles voltage regulator, which was bat **** crazy, and a Schumacher sc2500a, which loved to go to 16+ volts at 25 amps and make any battery gurgle and gass.

    MexWanderer set me up with an adjustable alternator voltage regulator, and turned me onto the adjustable voltage power supplies, and my solar controller is adjustable too, So I've got all bases covered, and a hard working hard cycling well performing high$$ AGM battery.
  • Thanks for taking the time to document this.

    During the 78.9 temperature you are exceeding the gassing voltage.

    At 72 also exceeding gassing voltage.

    Here is a truncated table.

    At 59 gassing voltage is 14.655

    At 68 gassing voltage is 14.49

    At 77 gassing voltage is 14.34

    At 86 gassing voltage is 14.19