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Jan 25, 2015

The 921 LED bulb

I just replaced 10 bulbs from our light fixtures , 921 style, with LED bulbs. They look and work great so far but I was surprised that they also get very warm to the touch. Is that normal? I also replaced our aisle lights with LED lights similar to the automotive tag lights and they stay cool.
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  • SCVJeff wrote:
    vermilye wrote:
    travelzoo wrote:
    I replaced my 921 style also and they are warm to touch but no where near very warm. My problem is the ones I bought have a little more bluish color than I like. They are bright enough just not white enough.
    While it would be more efficient to replace your "blueish" bulbs with warmer ones, one solution is to visit a theatrical supplier or large camera shop & buy a piece of color media. It is available in 100's of colors, usually 20" X 22" sheets, and is designed to be placed in front of high wattage theatrical lights; heat won't be a problem. I've used one of the frosts (Roscolux 115) inside some of my fixtures to even out the light from panel type LEDs.
    Good idea.. Unless something has changed, that's exactly how the newer WW LEDs achieve their color temp: by dyeing the LED lens itself.
    The surface dyeing of some panel LEDs is why I needed the frost. Some of them produce thin bands of cooler light that comes from the edges of each individual LED. This becomes annoying if you are reading or tasking under the light and move through the band of color difference. The frost evens this out.
  • vermilye wrote:
    SCVJeff wrote:
    vermilye wrote:
    travelzoo wrote:
    I replaced my 921 style also and they are warm to touch but no where near very warm. My problem is the ones I bought have a little more bluish color than I like. They are bright enough just not white enough.
    While it would be more efficient to replace your "blueish" bulbs with warmer ones, one solution is to visit a theatrical supplier or large camera shop & buy a piece of color media. It is available in 100's of colors, usually 20" X 22" sheets, and is designed to be placed in front of high wattage theatrical lights; heat won't be a problem. I've used one of the frosts (Roscolux 115) inside some of my fixtures to even out the light from panel type LEDs.
    Good idea.. Unless something has changed, that's exactly how the newer WW LEDs achieve their color temp: by dyeing the LED lens itself.
    The surface dyeing of some panel LEDs is why I needed the frost. Some of them produce thin bands of cooler light that comes from the edges of each individual LED. This becomes annoying if you are reading or tasking under the light and move through the band of color difference. The frost evens this out.
    Good eye... I have a few of those myself. Once you see it you can't understand-see it.

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