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Hybridhunter
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Oct 12, 2014

Thermostat upgrade - 2 stage w/ heat strip - fan speed issue

So I'm upgrading my new Coleman Mach 1 Air Conditioner with heat strip, to an external digital programmable multi stage thermostat.
I find all aspects pretty straightforward. I am trying to devise a way to have it automatically go to the higher fan speed for the second cooling stage. Some folks with the Dometic / Hunter combo have just hooked up the second stage to the higher fan speed. Dometic must have some interlock on the relays, or both relays and windings would be energized at the same time. I see 2 problems there.....

1) There doesn't appear to be an interlock on the relays for low and high speed, so that could do some damage if they both engaged.

2) If I just use a switch on the fan wire and left it the thermostat fan "on" with the 2 pole switch on the high position, the same issue would appear when using the heat.

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  • For anyone consider in this mod, it works perfectly, no need for an extra switch like the hunter thermostat upgrade. I used a white Rodgers 1F85 model.
    Basically it goes like this...
    Stage 1 heat - heat strip terminal on AC unit
    Stage 2 heat - gas furnace
    Fan output - low fan on AC unit
    Stage 1 cool (compressor output from thermo) - cool input on AC unit
    Stage 2 cool - high fan terminal on AC unit
    12v+ to thermostat Rc /Rh
    12v- to blue terminal on AC unit
    I added a switch which allows high fan only, or a simple terminal swap I can force low fan only.


    It works like a charm! Fully programmable, with fast or slow second stage. Runs on low fan / electric heat most of the time. Translations to using both gas and electric if the setppoint is off by more than a degree (adjustable spread). Engages both heat units or high AC temporarily to bring temperature to setpoint. This thermostat also has full 5+1+1 programmability with auto heat cool changeover. Cadillac......
    Cheers!
  • Thanks for the reply. Some folks suggested you could just connect the second phase cooling output to the high fan, no problem.

    I decided to keep it relatively simple, and use a 2 pole, 2 position switch, in 1 position it will allow

    Switch position #1
    contact #1 -thermostat fan output >>> to low fan input on control input
    contact #2 - empty >>> to high fan input on control input
    (Manual / Continuous fan - low speed only)

    Switch position #2
    Input#3 - Thermostat first stage cool >>>>> low fan input on control unit
    Input#4 - Thermostat second stage cool >>>>> high fan input on control unit
    (No manual/continuous fan on this setting)

    This would stop manual fan operation, as well as stop any signal from the manual fan turning on the high speed with heat, which is not compatible. Basically, all this complexity to get auto fan on cool when the temperature is extreme, otherwise there is no real use for the high /extra noisy fan setting.

    This could be done with relays, but I have to draw the line somewhere
  • The way Dometic does (did) it is bt using one fan relay to energize the fan, the other is an spdt relay, and toggles between low (unenergized) and high (energized). That's why simply hooking the high fan lead doesn't work for them.
    You could just add relays to do that for the Coleman, except you would run the 12 volt control through them.