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lawrosa
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Sep 24, 2017

wfco possibly issues Bulk mode..Charge abilitys?

I have to say I just came back from boondocking.. Weekend trip only..

New camper
Wfco 8955 converter
280 watts solar
20 amp mppt
1100 watt inverter
2800 watt kohler inverter gen ( Runs A/c on eco mode) Runs a/c and 1300 watt micro at same time. ( A/C compresser already started..)

Batts fully charged when I left off solar..

Im a heavy use guy. Had two tv's running, used toaster oven, coffee maker etc.. All off inverter.

First night no big deal as solar got back most of the power I lost..

Woke up sat to 12.3 volts batts. I have 3 - 75 ah batts in parrellel. @ on camper and third is under hood of tow vehicle. It has a second batt for camper package and solely runs off 7 pin. Starting batt not affected.

So I used maybe 100 AH. Guestimate

Was hot sat so I ran gen to run a/c and charge batts. Ran 3 hours.

Sun only available for 3 hours of so as I was in the woods.. maybe 15 amp at times.

wfco did not and would not go in bulk mode. I even tried to trick it and put a load on inverter. Gen on , then flip converter charging breaker. Nope.. 13.6 charging.. ( No 14.4.. Never seen it).

When trying to trick it, it seems like it may be going into bulk mode but the wfco kicks on and off every 10-15 seconds. I think its going off on amp overload with that 900 watt draw on inverter..

Says the bulk mode should kick on when it sees 13.2 volts at wfco terminals. Problem as soon as you hit the breaker it jumps to 13.4 volts.. Seems like it will never see said 13.2 volts..


With that said with 3 hour gen run time batts looked charges @ 12.8 volts after I turned everything off. I thought I may have overcharged...

Anyway next morning batts were 11.8 volts... I dont know what happened as we hardly used much stuff as the day before after I turned off gen and put solar away..

Disappointing..

Im trying to run tests now to see how to get this f ing thing in bulk mode..

So disappointing in this new campers converter..

But they say online this thing cranks in the amps others cant at 13.6 volts..

I dont have an amp probe...
  • joebedford wrote:
    Did you push the bulk button on the WFCO?


    There is no button...
  • MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
    That's what I get for assssssuming you had an older system. That technical announcement is absurd. Every ECU on the planet acts exactly the same way. My 1995 Dodge Spirit, needs periodic battery de-sulfation? Yes it reaches 15.5 volts and slumps to as low as (observed) 13.2 volts on a ridiculously hot 122F day in Arizona.

    Voltage Slump under load is normal for these harebrained systems. It drove forum member landyacht so nuts he bypassed the ECU and installed a Transpo F540XHD, adjustable voltage regulator. Me? I would be concerned if my system charged house batteries.

    For STRICTLY vehicle battery use, the ECU "A Type" regulation is just fine. Never heard complaint alarms about short VEHICLE BATTERY life. For remote house batteries, I am quite certain you will find that as compared to a thermocouple compensation regulator (meaning the old fashioned kind), the ECU will deliver about 90% of the alternator product to the house batteries. Solar voltaics on the roof and a good regulator could help you top off the batteries in that case.

    DIAGNOSTICS
    Verify just how "Norman Bates" an ECU VR can get check on a GM technical bulletin for "Excessively Slow Voltage Recovery" if a hall effect amperage pickup is used. GM's idea on limp home is to minimize engine loading and this MAY mean a lowered default open loop regulator setting. MoPar systems are the same way.

    "Periodic Battery Desulfation" Oh god, my side hurts. One bright side (the only bright side) is that aside from faults due to connection deterioration, ECU regulators are tough. Tougher than any integral voltage regulator.

    BTW, I would not try to bypass your regulator. Newer systems use a Field Report FR, and bypassing anything will generate a permanent fault code in the computer.

    And thank you for the correction! Now if I can only wipe the stupid grin off my face...Desulfation...Ouch my cramp!


    To bypass it I read just unplug the terminal from the alt.. It will default to constant 14.4 volts or something like that.. Will it throw a code? IDK..

    The thing with mine I never seen it go into fuel savings mode and reduce voltage. Never..
  • Advice "Safety" First

    Find out what kind of rigamarole "a thrown code" means as far as re-setting. Some vehicles need to go to the dealer $$$$$$$$$$

    See if you can get your hands on a xerox of the GM Technical Service Bulletin dealing with ECU / Alternator issues. I'm a little far from a dealer. But tell the service manager the truth "It's for someone who does not live in the USA and -desperately- needs the TSB :)" One question for the service manager "Does my system send a FIELD REPORT to the ECU?"

    You are correct, loss of sense lead will result in a default voltage setting. The earliest Delco 10SI had a ludicrously high 16.4 volt default. Your comment of course makes sense.

    I need to see a picture of the rear (slip ring end) of your alternator. Another favor to ask of your dealer parts department. Or at least get the factory Delphi part number for your alternator. I can do an online search from there.

    Botched diagnosis is out of the question so please pardon my caution doing this.
  • MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
    Advice "Safety" First

    Find out what kind of rigamarole "a thrown code" means as far as re-setting. Some vehicles need to go to the dealer $$$$$$$$$$

    See if you can get your hands on a xerox of the GM Technical Service Bulletin dealing with ECU / Alternator issues. I'm a little far from a dealer. But tell the service manager the truth "It's for someone who does not live in the USA and -desperately- needs the TSB :)" One question for the service manager "Does my system send a FIELD REPORT to the ECU?"

    You are correct, loss of sense lead will result in a default voltage setting. The earliest Delco 10SI had a ludicrously high 16.4 volt default. Your comment of course makes sense.

    I need to see a picture of the rear (slip ring end) of your alternator. Another favor to ask of your dealer parts department. Or at least get the factory Delphi part number for your alternator. I can do an online search from there.

    Botched diagnosis is out of the question so please pardon my caution doing this.


    Chevy alternators of this year truck is the standard ad244. 145 amp.

    Watch this video..

    ad 244 gm 145 amp alt. Parts list and breakdown.

    But I dont have alternator issues. Everything is good there..

    I was just bringing up the fact that I maybe can charge the camper batts from the truck 7 pin becuase GM carrys a higher voltage to said pin.. Rather then running a generator and going through the WFCO..

    I will do amp tests later in the week when I get my buddys amp clamp meter.

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