Wadcutter wrote:
JIMNLIN wrote:
Indeed those door tag GAWR are very much part of DOT inspection points that we get hit with if we are out of compliance on under 26000 combined plates. And the shift captains comment that they use the same vehicle plates [registered GVWR and door tag GAWR] just as DOT uses for over 10000k vehicles and under 26000k weights.
That tag has nothing to do with legal weight limits. Where the 26K kicks in is for determining when certain MCS laws apply. Those tags are non-enforceable for determining overweights which is what the OP was asking about.
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let me say this again. When we apply and operate with combined plates for a 3500 truck [example] the door tag GVWR and the trailers GVWR is added together to make my combined numbers. If the state the truck is registered in has a uprate GVWR [as my state] that it is my registered GVWR. My last 3500 DRW had the 15000 GVWR uprate registration plus the 16000 GVWR trailer gave me my combined 31000 lb combined. Other operators say some states don't have a uprate GVWR so they were required to use their truck plates GVWR for their registration. dot also checked my GAWR [RAWR/FAWR] per door tag for proper load distribution. Thats all per dot requirements and how dot enforces under 26000 lbs and over 10000 lbs.
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We don't use the tags to determine MCS either. We use the registration weight limits. Once again, the door sticker which is more correctly referred to as the federal sticker is not required by MCS or any other statute after initial sales. It's like the mattress tag. There are vehicles all over the US legally operating without the fed sticker. If a vehicle has had damage repaired in the area of the sticker or the vehicle has been restored and repainted then they most likely no longer have the fed sticker.
Here's one way to better describe the fed sticker. On my fed stickerfor my Dodge pickup it not only lists the manufacturer's weight limits but it also lists the amount of air for the tires and vehicle colors. It says tire air pressure is 50 psi. If I want to put 65 psi in my tires there's not a thing illegal with that. That sticker also says my color is maroon. But I want to paint my truck blue. Nothing illegal with changing the colors even tho it will no longer match the fed sticker. That sticker is a listing by the manufacturer of the manufacturing specs for that specific vehicle.
Also, you are confusing weight laws and MCS laws and registration and axle/gross weights. All of those are completely different statutes, which I have tried to explain previously.
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However, there is definitely confusion here. You are confusing MCS laws and weight laws. Those are 2 separate distinct sections of the law, neither of which has anything to do with the other. Weight laws are not MCS and MCS are not weight. MCS laws do not apply to the guy pulling his RV south for the winter or to the mountains and his favorite fishing hole in the summer.
Please, don't confuse MCS issues here. They have absolutely no application.
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your interpetation of your state weight laws and what mcs laws your state enforces may hold true in your state but your mistaking other state interpetation of those laws. MY state will enfore door tag weights and is cracking down on non commercial users such as 3500 trucks pulling heavy construction equipment. And yes just as I mentioned before the OHP shift captain said they use the same GVWR/GAWR tags as dot. I've been through many weigh station checks when hauling commercial/dot and those dot officers certaily checked manufactors door tag weights. Your state may not check door tag numbers but the different states that I was compliant in sure did.
Don't assume if your state doesn't use MCS/FMCSA regs for non commercial enforcement that others don't.
Never had a dot officer check my paint per door tag but did get a couple of great color combo.
