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JIMNLIN
Feb 07, 2009Explorer III
Gunpilot77 wrote:#1. the GVWR on your trailer was only your issue as the fed reg missing door tag GVWR plate I posteed above is about the tow vehicle. If the GVWR placard is missing on a trailer a leo usually will get the axle tag ratings from the axles and use it as the trailers GVWR.
I just called the number you listed. It is now 405-702-0813 BTW. I spoke to a Lt. about my non-commercial trailer. Since you have been inconsistant and somewhat confusing in your posts I wasn't sure what to ask him, but here are the high points. 1. It doesn't matter that the certification tag on my 24 ft deckover flatbed has fallen off. As long as it isn't loaded over the registered weight (14,000 pounds) or over the weight ratings of the tires, there is no problem pulling it in OK. 2. Axle limits are 20,000 per axle.....period, private or commercial.
3. There is no law in OK that limits how much you can carry in a vehicle as long as you don't exceed the previously listed limits. In other words, exceeding the manufacturers GVWR is not illegal. Exceeding the GAWR on the tag is not illegal. If I installed LT 235/85R16 Goodyear load range G tires on my duelly and inflated them to 110 psi I could legally load it to 21,160 pounds. He did point out that would be a warranty issue if there was a mechanical failure. He also noted that if I were loaded that heavy and was in an accident that weight could be an issue in a lawsuit, so just because it is legal it might not be prudent.
There you have it. You've been busted. Have a nice day.
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Never said exceeding GVWR was illegal in OK as a commercial operator may elect to register or buy a higher gross ladin weight (15000 max) for his registered GVWR for combined (GCWR) plates. Or I may elect to just use the trucks door tag GVWR for my combined GCWR plates which is what I have now. Not sure who or if the the person you talked with has ever ran a scale house or did a road side weights check. Going through a scale house or a road side weights check "if" the officer has reason to think the weights are above max weight and tire capacity the officer then checks the door tag GAWR numbers to verify if actually overweight. They give us 5 percent over axle capacity and 15 percent on GVWR I've been hit on this point a couple of times whem hauling wheeled equipment. Scale house officers get pretty good at knowing tire and axle weights of a 3500 DRW for example. As the OK dot officer I talked with said tires are matched to the vehicle axle system per 49cfr part 571.120. He also said that title 47 statute weighing of vehicles that axle weight or gross weight exceeds the max weights by law the operator can be required to move or unload till the vehicle is within max weights.
Your clickie above didn't open so I don't know what your point is. If you open 390.5 page and click on the "interpret" word on the right hand side it opens intrepretation up to a Q&A. The missing door tag GVWR is Q&A #3.
Iv'e had more than one road side paper/weights/tie downs checks and went through many scale houses in other states when I towed commercially and have never been busted.
Lots of claims and counterclaims/bashing/personell remarks but no one has made a comment on the fed reg on missing door tag GVWR tag. Anyone care to make a guess ??
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