I know it's a narrow segment of the folks here, but if you own a 10 lug F450 and have the same love/hate relationship with the 19.5 inch tires as I did, then maybe this will help. I've tried a few different tires and sizes in the last 105k miles. I started out on the stock 19.5 225 Continental HDR's....they rode o.k. but had no traction. I swapped those out for the taller more aggressive 245 Toyo 608z. Worst tire ever. They lasted two weeks on the truck. I then tried the 245 Michelin XDS2...smooth enough ride, but noisy on smooth asphalt and poor traction in snow....and expensive. I then lifted the truck and went up another size to 19.5 x 265. Michelin didn't make the XDS2 in that size so I was back to the Toyo 608z....which I suffered with for the last 40k Miles. Horrible tire.They even smell bad.I FINALLY decided I'd had enough. I ordered a set of Fuel 20 x 8.25 Ford 10 lug wheels, with 12 ply 35x12.5x20 Toyo RT tires. These are direct bolt on wheels. No spacers or adapters. They have the same load rating on the wheels as the Alcoas, and the 12ply F rated tires are only 300lbs less load per tire than the stock G rated Continentals. The wheels are offered in 3 different offsets for 285, 12.5" and 13.5" width tires. **** what a difference. PRO'sThey balanced out perfect.They are WAY quieter.MUCH smoother running at 70 PSI. Truck tracks straighter.I can air them down when needed.Tires are much less expensive.45k mile mileage warranty.Far better traction in all conditions.CON'sThey are much wider. Sticking with the 285 tire offset could alleviate some of that.The initial cost of the wheels will take two sets of tires to recoup. I seriously should have done this 3 years ago. These wheels will be moving to a new F450 when the time comes!

I am sure the OP would appreciate the response, but this post is 4 years old and the OP hasn't been on here since. As a visitor I am not sure you can see the age of the topics so you probably would not have known. It's technical problem with the site and the moderators haven't done anything to fix it.

I hear ya Marty, but usually the mods are missing on these forums and I feel like they would have conduit to get some of these changes made. I mean, the mods asked for feedback months ago and nothing ever happened. No offense to you, just an easy fix. If a topic is more than 2 years old, lock it.

Unfortunately, notuch is going on here. To lock these, weods, who's left per say. Need people above to program this into the system. Ie no reviving post over 12 months like it was. My literal only option is to delete the offending post(s). I have not had the beef to delete anything since the new format. I've seen the buttons to do so. It's not as simple as the older format. I check in every few days now. Take care of the one post that shows up. I'm close to leaving per say.

They look really nice. 5 sets of tires and a new set of wheels in 100k miles? Priceless.Doesn’t matter that it’s almost brodozer status since you aren’t hauling a TC or a 5ver. (You could have bought a F250 and saved the tire and wheel rodeo....but sweet looking truck nonetheless)

Truck looks nice. Won’t as soon as you drive thru a mud puddle.

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Threebigfords
Explorer
Feb 14, 2020
Haha!...you do remember he traded his first F450 in on a new F350 because of these exact same tire issues right??...and only switched back to his latest F450 because he missed the turning radius of the wide track front axle.

Also...if you'll note.... he's comparing the HD3 to his old HSR highway tires. My truck came with the HDR Continentals which are the traction tires that the HD3 replaced, and as you can see in Continentals own chart in my previous post...they offer ZERO improvement over the HDR except in tire wear and rolling resistance(mpg).
Threebigfords
Explorer
Feb 14, 2020
blofgren wrote:
They look great, OP!

Thanks! That's not the main reason I went this route as I liked the look of the stock Alcoas just fine but it is a nice side benefit!
LanceRKeys
Explorer
Feb 14, 2020
I am thinking about getting a 450. Can you explain why commercial tires can’t be balanced? Seems like you could balance them the same as any tire.
Threebigfords
Explorer
Feb 14, 2020
You would think so ...right?

From my experience (105k miles so far) the tires aren't made to the same tolerances as light truck tires. The run-out is terrible, with high spots and low spots. About the only way to balance one correctly requires shaving the tire, which doesn't work well on the traction tires like the Toyo 608z as you shave off all the siping. The fact that the tires have such low speed ratings should tell you a bit about how true they are. Some are rated as low as 75 mph, with most limited to 81mph.

One unique problem with duallys and stick on weights is that the back of the outer rear wheel is convex...thus any stick on weights tend to fly off due to centrifugal force. So with no way to balance that tire, it better be pretty true to begin with....which they typically aren't.

To counteract that guys like me tend to run hydraulic balancing rings like Centrimatics or Balance Masters, but they can only do so much when the tire is out actually of round to begin with.

Some try balancing beads or Equal inside the tire, but often those clump up due to moisture or can't offset how out of spec the tire is, and they'll do nothing for an out of round tire.

I'm a contractor, so traction at jobsites pulling heavy loads/trailers is pretty important. I have had zero luck finding a good combo of traction and ride quality in the 19.5" tires. You get one or the other.

Switching to these 20" wheels and 12 ply Toyo RT's has been the solution I wish I'd found 100k miles ago.
Threebigfords
Explorer
Feb 14, 2020
FishOnOne wrote:
Threebigfords wrote:
I looked at that tire and don't see how it addresses any of the issues I had.

Still a stiff poor riding 19.5" tire

Still has poor traction.

Still can't air them down

Still a commercial truck tire that won't balance worth a ****

Still doesn't offer any significant advantages in load capacity or tread life for all the negatives.

Still more expensive

Still has an inferior speed rating

So what exactly does it address again?

I'll let Big Truck Big RV explain...

Link

If you actually watch that video it's obvious he and I use our trucks very differently and have different expectaions about what they should be capable of.

That being said, he basically reinforces everything I said about 19.5" tires and their poor traction and ride characteristics having gone through stock HSR's, Toyo's and Firestones before finally giving up on decent traction tires and settling for the HD3's
FishOnOne
Nomad
Feb 14, 2020
Threebigfords wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Threebigfords wrote:
I looked at that tire and don't see how it addresses any of the issues I had.

Still a stiff poor riding 19.5" tire

Still has poor traction.

Still can't air them down

Still a commercial truck tire that won't balance worth a ****

Still doesn't offer any significant advantages in load capacity or tread life for all the negatives.

Still more expensive

Still has an inferior speed rating

So what exactly does it address again?

I'll let Big Truck Big RV explain...

Link

If you actually watch that video it's obvious he and I use our trucks very differently and have different expectaions about what they should be capable of.

That being said, he basically reinforces everything I said about 19.5" tires and their poor traction and ride characteristics having gone through stock HSR's, Toyo's and Firestones before finally giving up on decent traction tires and settling for the HD3's

Plus his definition of traction is probably different from yours since it doesn't snow in Corpus Christi.
NRALIFR
Explorer
Feb 15, 2020
Geez. If I did that to mine, I couldn’t get between the front jacks on my TC.........Again.

Already had to fab up some extensions for the jack brackets when I moved from an F350 to an F450.

Looks like I’d need another 3”-4” clearance on each side, and then the jacks would probably hit the cab when they’re swung in. They’re close enough now that I have to make sure the camper is centered in the bed.

My TC weighs about 5500 lbs as well.

:):)
Threebigfords
Explorer
Feb 15, 2020
You could always run the 285 tires. They stick out half as much as these 12.5" tires. The offset for the 285's are only 2.5" vs 3.5" for the 12.5" and 3.5" for the guys running 13.5" tires. ;)
blofgren
Explorer
Feb 15, 2020
Threebigfords wrote:
blofgren wrote:
They look great, OP!

Thanks! That's not the main reason I went this route as I liked the look of the stock Alcoas just fine but it is a nice side benefit!

I like the look of the stock Alcoas too, but I really like those Fuel wheels, especially because they're not black like it seems 99% of them are. :)
Kingranchkid
Explorer
Aug 29, 2024
Your truck looks gorgeous I just got a a 2014 f450 king ranch want to do something similar what offset and lift did u do
- way2roll
  Navigator II
  Aug 29, 2024
  I am sure the OP would appreciate the response, but this post is 4 years old and the OP hasn't been on here since. As a visitor I am not sure you can see the age of the topics so you probably would not have known. It's technical problem with the site and the moderators haven't done anything to fix it.
  - blt2ski
    Moderator
    Sep 02, 2024
    way2roll,
    
    We moderators do not have a way of fixing the issue talked about, ie stopping the ability to pull up a post from x months/years ago! If we are going to blame someone, blame the upper management folks, and or the designer of this platform for allowing it....or upper folks have not turned off that ability.
    
    With this said. I've really only had issues with one brand of 19.5 tires on my Navistar since I bought it in 93 or there about. That was MIchelins XRV in an 8r19.5. hwy tire, soft is warm IC! On the other hand, I have some predecessors to the XDR2 that the OP talks about on the rear. THey've been great tires. 60+K miles, got them in 03, still have a few miles left in them! then again, I don't drive this thing much, so I am not driving 60+ MPH across hot asphalt in the AZ to Texas deserts at 100+F. I would suspect I would have issues with them by now! I've switched to 225-70-19.5 tires. I'm positive my suspension is heavier than the 450 mentioned at 24K total front and rear.
    
    Marty

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