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Oct 18, 2024

First mileage test result.

The first mileage test results are in.

A quick review of what was done to the truck.

Cometic head gaskets half the thickness of Fel-Pro and with full o-rings around each cylinder, not combining into one ring between cylinders like Fel-Pro. This raised all compressions from 185 to 200, to 200 to 220. ARP head studs at true 90 pounds torque instead of garbage unreliable twist to yield factory head bolts. New Melling timing chains, tensioners, chain guides and Melling 176 HV high volume oil pump with lower pressure spring installed. Porting out the exhaust ports to gasket match the new headers. A pair of Gibson 1-1/2" ss tube headers. SPD Performance Y-Pipe modification to exhaust creating better flow and scavaging. The MMR Racing coolant adaptors to the backs of the heads and plumbing them into the coolant return tube to the water pump for better cooling. Fabricating a larger 3-1/2" cold air inlet. Removing the comb like teeth in the throttlebody intake gasket improving intake air flow again. Welding shut the unused rear of head intake manifold coolant passages to prevent leaking due to the cheap plastic stock intake manifold. Modifying the intake manifold crossover tube connections to improve sealing and reduce the chance of the common leakage problem from happening again. Using the crossover clamp device I thought up to further increase the likelihood of a permanent seal. The injectors are 1 year old and all NGK ignition coils are 8 months. Several sensors were also replaced, MAF, O2 L & O2 R, TPS. All sensors about 6 months ago. 

Ok, so what are the mileage test results?

After 140 miles of mixed city, arterial, freeway driving, the resulting MPG is 11.75

11.75 MPG may or may not impress people but, it is a 2000 F-250 super cab 4x4 with a 5.4 liter 2 valve engine and 4 speed automatic. Before, we were getting 8 or 9 mpg, "10 on a really good day without the TC on". 

This represents an improvement of 3 to even 4 mpg. That will add up to decent savings over time. I just need to stay on top of maintenance to keep it this way. Regular oil changes at 3000 miles or less are very important, especially if you drive a truck with the 3 valve engine.

Everything I did to the engine, is on video and was posted to this forum if you're interested.

Thats the end of the truck repair/improvement video series. I hope those who saw it, enjoyed it. And now you know the fruition, end result.

It's back to camping soon.

 

 

 

  • An update on the truck's mileage per gallon. I drove from Seattle to Spokane and back over the weekend. Our speed was 75 to 77 for the most part.  We drove over Snoqualmie Pass. The truck with the new engine setup, held speed in cruise control without dropping in speed only downshifted to third. With the old engine setup, stock form, it would not hold speed in cruise over the pass and would drop to 60 mph or less sometimes downshifting into second, skipping third. I'm quite happy with the performance. We did hit 12 mpg on the button at those speeds. I expect it will drop some when the TC is loaded next week. Now I need to remove my rear seats and build platforms in back to stack supplies and tools in the back seat area. We also need to fit in 2 cat carriers and a litterbox for cat comfort. That's the latest development with the truck project. 

    • MORSNOW's avatar
      MORSNOW
      Navigator II

      Sounds like success to me!  We travel with a pup and our cat too, we keep a litter box on the rear seat floor. 

      • Camper_Jeff___K's avatar
        Camper_Jeff___K
        Nomad III

        We enjoy having the little darlings along and they pick up their travel routine quickly. When the voyage is over, they have to readjust to the cavernous house. They're both great travelers. Unlike Good Old Charlie, these two knuckleheads can't become leash certified, so they only go outside in an enclosed pen, supervised because so many people feel their dog is special and can freely roam the campground.  Currently removing rear seats and designing a platform system to improve storage situation. Platform will accommodate a large litter box and two carriers plus food, tools and things bottom level.

  • Hey StirCrazy, are your LS swaps keeping the factory fuel injection or are they all converted to carbureted?  I swapped a 5.0 mustang engine including the factory fuel injection into my old Bronco in the late 90's. It's the best thing I ever did for that Bronco and I'm still happy every time I hit the key 20 years later.

    • StirCrazy's avatar
      StirCrazy
      Moderator

      when we do them we keep them fuel injected..  My buddy went to the US and did a 6 month course on tuning when he retired from the military.  realy it just doesnt make sence to go carberated, unless your building a 4000hp drag car I guess haha

  • Surprised your mpg's are that low.  I have a 2WD 99 F350 supercab with V10. Drove it to Medford and got 13mpg's unloaded.  I drive the speed limit.  Was surprised I got that good because it only gets 10 around town.  Maybe it's the 4x4 that hurts your mpg's. (just a thought)

    • StirCrazy's avatar
      StirCrazy
      Moderator

       the 5.4 is whats hurting him.. the 5.4 (stock) has to work real hard to move that sail down the road.  the 4x4 doesnt actualy use that much gase when disconected in thoes trucks, not like back in the 60's and 70's  in comparison your V10 is hardly working at the speed limit compared to what the 5.4 would me, and like mu old 99 7.3 diesel it got close to 18mpg with my camper if I drove nice but it was far from stock..  my new 6.7 gets 19's with the camper on.  and it is a 4x4 crewcab long box beast haha

    • Camper_Jeff___K's avatar
      Camper_Jeff___K
      Nomad III

      I'm hoping we will get more than 13 mpg with only freeway driving. My truck is 4x4 so there is a little more rotating mass.

      • StirCrazy's avatar
        StirCrazy
        Moderator

        I noticed you did't change the cams, was there a reason for that? just wondering as that could have made the difference between the gas milage you got an a point or two left on the table.  also is the muffler stock or have you put a free flowing one on it?  

  • did you ever think about just putting a different engine into it?  I'm not asking this to stir anythign up, but the 5.4 wasn't that great of a engine to start with and with so many new offerings from both ford and gm that would be easy to swap in and would give you more power and better fuel economy.  for example a junkyard LS 6L could be had with a trans for about 1500 up here so 1000ish down their and prople about another 500 in parts to install it, I bet you would be well over 15 mph.  I know its a gm motor in a ford, I am just using it as an example and it is the cheepest way to go, the ford gas engines that would make a good swap are a little more money.

    • Grit_dog's avatar
      Grit_dog
      Navigator

      Ain’t no old LS getting 15mpg in a 3/4ton 4x4.   
      plus F250 LS swap?  Rofl. Can’t see anywhere that might get difficult or have issues…..

      • StirCrazy's avatar
        StirCrazy
        Moderator

        no it would probably get better.  🤣

        LS into anything is easy now days, they make mount kits for almost any aplication you can think of, and their cheep including the harness or you can buy an aftermarket harnes and its all plug and play for the most part.  that was just an example, like I said, a coyote swap would be fun also but I think its more suited for hot rods and not things that need low end, and its much much more expensive.  I even have a friend who put a cummins into a old ford 1 ton 4x4 , we had him comitted for using that POS engine but he did it 😆

        seriously thought, myself and my two buddys have now swapped about 15 LS motors into classic trucks some as old as the 40's but a lot of 1960's and 70's stuff also.  a few of them are street/strip procharged, one a turbo setup but the rest are all naturaly asperated and if you keep the foot out of them they get amazing milage.  its all about building them proper for what they are going to do.   

    • mkirsch's avatar
      mkirsch
      Nomad II

      Swapping isn't an option on something that new, if you live in a state where emissions rules are enforced. The vehicle has to have all its original emissions equipment intact or they won't give you an inspection sticker, and the state suspends the vehicle's license.

      • Grit_dog's avatar
        Grit_dog
        Navigator

        No emissions testing in WA….as crazy that sounds.  Not since Covid, lol. They all got sent home like the State did to all their employees, and the emissions testing never started back up. Another positive coming out of the pandemic I suppose. 
        And his truck is 5 years away from being eligible for collector plates. Just because it’s newer than its owner doesn’t mean it’s newer!  Hahaha 

    • Camper_Jeff___K's avatar
      Camper_Jeff___K
      Nomad III

      I've given engine swapping some thought. The trick is the whole truck is a system. I thought about a 6.2 and 6 speed transmission swap but you have to swap the computer system, wire harness and any relevent components. To make it run.

      Even if I did a V10, my V8 wire harness is setup for 8 cylinders so I would need to swap electronics for that. I can do it, but fixing what I have is the easiest most affordable way. I know I am creating more power from the engine. I have addressed several weak points with the Cometic head gaskets, welding shut the rear coolant passages on the heads. Greatly improving exhaust flow over stock. High volume oip pump to hopefully oil better and keep passages clear. Rear of head coolant adaptors to prevent a boilover from ever happening again and keep the heads cooler with better circulation. That about covers the modifications which I hope will amount to a sort of "Bullet Proofing" for the 5.4 engine. The first engine did 275k miles, but it took work and three sets of head gaskets and new sparkplug seats to do it.

      • StirCrazy's avatar
        StirCrazy
        Moderator

        ya the swaps are not as hard as it seams anymore.  you can get kits that mount everything, conversion kits to make the wire and computer that come with your junk yard motor/trans just plug into your old plugs..  they have simplified it so much..  

        it all comes down to what is the most important .. if its fuel milage and power to pull big hills, then your going to swap a diesel in there.  if its...  well realy I can't see any reason to buy a truck used to pull or haul a rv or other type of trailer or payload with significant weight, that is a gas engine.. they have less power, worse fuel milage, more maintenance and don't last as long as a diesel...  but some people still like thoes gas engines.  I like them for cars and hotrods

  • Love your persistence! You did a long block a few years back on that truck didn't you?  

    My 94 f250 460 E04od trans (modified)  get about 16 without camper.  10-11 with and 9-10 towing our Samurai.

    Did you sign up for the TC rally at Q for 2025?  Hope to see ya there.

    Jim.

     

    • Grit_dog's avatar
      Grit_dog
      Navigator

      Hahaha 16 what?  Man the first liar never has a chance. A 460 Ford truck never got 16 mpg ever unless it was being pushed downhill with the engine off!  Thanks of the laughs. That’s funnier than the guy who is claiming a 4mpg increase with a slight compression bump and presumably improved exhaust flow. (But not since it’s going back to the OE system past the headers.  
      Pro tip, better exhaust and intake are not “evident” when poking along like the OPs test run. It never starved for air at full throttle before, it sure isn’t now. 
      But if I dumped as much time and $ into an old 5.4 Superdoody as him, I’d have to claim something for my efforts!  Lol. 

      • bigfootford's avatar
        bigfootford
        Nomad II

        Liar?  Geez....  Both my f250 2wd's would get 15-16 unloaded.  That is at 65 or less! I do not drive fast!

    • Camper_Jeff___K's avatar
      Camper_Jeff___K
      Nomad III

      Hmm, my detailed reply just vanished. 

      Not gonna write that again.

      Yes, new engine and has been good.

      I'm persistent allright.

      We will be at the rally again this year 

      Take care...

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