So for some context, Towing with a 2016 Jayco Alante 31L, 5spd V10,GVWR 18k GCWR 23k. Tires are new and PSI set to Michelin tables. Towing a 2012 Nissan Frontier on a Demco Kar Kaddy SS with steer axle. Total length ~50'. 300 mi. trip on relatively flat terrain from DFW to Chatham, La. in T/H Cat Scale weights showed dingy is at the dolly rated 4800lbs, GCWR is just below 23k. Problem is the trip was a nightmare, the coach was wandering badly as if there was not enough weight on the steer axle even though the steer axle Cat Scale weight was unchanged from a previous weigh. Big Rigs wouldn't move the rear of the coach but heaved the front severly, and yes I have trac bar and safe steer and ordinarily barely notice big rigs overtaking. At speeds above 60 mph. it got really difficult to control. I've driven trucks with excessive tongue weight which behaved like this but a loaded dolly only exerts a ~100 lb. relatively negligible weight down on the hitch. I know there's a cause but I'm at a loss. The dinghy didn't fishtail or otherwise behave erratically. Maybe someone else has experienced a similar issue?

Have you put MH back on highway without toad? Think you might have worn or binding parts in front end. The new toad pointed out issue

Inflate your tires to the max pressure on the side wall of the tire

eHoefler wrote:Inflate your tires to the max pressure on the side wall of the tire Thanks but tires are inflated to the psi recommended in the Michelin Tables for my Cat Scale axle weights. The max pressure on the tire sidewall is irrelevant unless the tires are supporting the max allowable axle loads. Besides, an over inflated steer tire isn't going to reduce the tendency of the front end to wander, I suspect it will increase it. However if you have information otherwise I'm certainly open to it.

The condition that you describe sounds like "tail wagging the dog". The Toad is pushed and the rear of the RV sideway on the axle which causes the front end to point out of track, thus the correction. Normally the TracBar will solve this issue and locks the axle to the chassis. You stated you have a TracBar so this shouldn't be an issue. Perhaps check the connections on the TracBar to make sure they haven't come loose? Your sway bars have no bearing on the issue.Initially I had a similar issue (without the Toad) and it was mostly caused by alignment of the font end. Perhaps a place to start?

GoRVing_SD wrote:The condition that you describe sounds like "tail wagging the dog". The Toad is pushed and the rear of the RV sideway on the axle which causes the front end to point out of track, thus the correction. Normally the TracBar will solve this issue and locks the axle to the chassis. You stated you have a TracBar so this shouldn't be an issue. Perhaps check the connections on the TracBar to make sure they haven't come loose? Your sway bars have no bearing on the issue.Initially I had a similar issue (without the Toad) and it was mostly caused by alignment of the font end. Perhaps a place to start? Thanks, I will check the trac bar connections. Without the toad however the coach tracs true with zero steering issues, furthermore the steering was wild even when not being overtaken by a big rig, only wilder when his bow wave blew the front end over and then sucked it back as he cleared. It had occurred to me the weight of the toad and the length may have been swinging me around as you say "tail wagging the dog" but I couldn't detect any fishtailing in the camera and the wheels on the dolly were tracking straight.

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JRscooby
Explorer II
Mar 17, 2023
Have you put MH back on highway without toad?
Think you might have worn or binding parts in front end. The new toad pointed out issue
eHoefler
Explorer II
Mar 17, 2023
Inflate your tires to the max pressure on the side wall of the tire
Onyrlef
Explorer
Mar 17, 2023
eHoefler wrote:
Inflate your tires to the max pressure on the side wall of the tire

Thanks but tires are inflated to the psi recommended in the Michelin Tables for my Cat Scale axle weights. The max pressure on the tire sidewall is irrelevant unless the tires are supporting the max allowable axle loads. Besides, an over inflated steer tire isn't going to reduce the tendency of the front end to wander, I suspect it will increase it. However if you have information otherwise I'm certainly open to it.
GoRVing_SD
Explorer
Mar 17, 2023
The condition that you describe sounds like "tail wagging the dog". The Toad is pushed and the rear of the RV sideway on the axle which causes the front end to point out of track, thus the correction. Normally the TracBar will solve this issue and locks the axle to the chassis. You stated you have a TracBar so this shouldn't be an issue. Perhaps check the connections on the TracBar to make sure they haven't come loose? Your sway bars have no bearing on the issue.

Initially I had a similar issue (without the Toad) and it was mostly caused by alignment of the font end. Perhaps a place to start?
Onyrlef
Explorer
Mar 17, 2023
GoRVing_SD wrote:
The condition that you describe sounds like "tail wagging the dog". The Toad is pushed and the rear of the RV sideway on the axle which causes the front end to point out of track, thus the correction. Normally the TracBar will solve this issue and locks the axle to the chassis. You stated you have a TracBar so this shouldn't be an issue. Perhaps check the connections on the TracBar to make sure they haven't come loose? Your sway bars have no bearing on the issue.

Initially I had a similar issue (without the Toad) and it was mostly caused by alignment of the font end. Perhaps a place to start?

Thanks, I will check the trac bar connections. Without the toad however the coach tracs true with zero steering issues, furthermore the steering was wild even when not being overtaken by a big rig, only wilder when his bow wave blew the front end over and then sucked it back as he cleared. It had occurred to me the weight of the toad and the length may have been swinging me around as you say "tail wagging the dog" but I couldn't detect any fishtailing in the camera and the wheels on the dolly were tracking straight.
Onyrlef
Explorer
Mar 17, 2023
JRscooby wrote:
Have you put MH back on highway without toad?
Think you might have worn or binding parts in front end. The new toad pointed out issue

Yes, it handled perfectly both before and after the toad experience.
Ivylog
Explorer III
Mar 18, 2023
I would rent (borrow) a non steering dolly and see how it behaves. You are correct on how you inflate your tires.
Onyrlef
Explorer
Mar 18, 2023
Ivylog wrote:
I would rent (borrow) a non steering dolly and see how it behaves. You are correct on how you inflate your tires.

Thanks Ivylog, that had occurred to me in puzxling this out. On the Demco SS there's a pin to lock the steering out for towing the dolly when empty. I'd then have to leave the vehicle steering unlocked. Think I'll try that.
rjstractor
Nomad
Mar 19, 2023
The first thing that stands out to me is that it's unusual to tow a pickup using a dolly. Are you using a driveshaft disconnect to load the Frontier on the dolly the conventional way, or are you towing it backwards? If your towing it backwards that might be the issue, since the back end of a pickup is much lighter than the front.
Onyrlef
Explorer
Mar 20, 2023
rjstractor wrote:
The first thing that stands out to me is that it's unusual to tow a pickup using a dolly. Are you using a driveshaft disconnect to load the Frontier on the dolly the conventional way, or are you towing it backwards? If your towing it backwards that might be the issue, since the back end of a pickup is much lighter than the front.

Drive shaft disconnect.

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