1/2 ton trucks?

Sport45 wrote:

The Texan wrote:

Shadow_Grey wrote:
they have not had locking hubs for over 20 years...they are all electrically activated now.

I guess that Ford 1T I was looking at just yesterday with the manual lockout hub must have been 20 years old. NOT. It was a very late model(2009 or newer), so I guess NOT all Ford 4x4 systems are electric shift on the fly.

I bet it was an '04 or earlier. You can't even buy manual locking hubs for '05 and later Fords. At least not that I've seen. For the F-150 you may not be able to find a manual locking hub after 1996.

Warn Hub Application Chart

Not 20 years since they were used, but a long time anyway.

Might be confusing the auto/locked hubs. They do have the ability to manually the hubs if the auto feature fails. But it is not a true manual locking hub.

The Texan wrote:

Shadow_Grey wrote:
they have not had locking hubs for over 20 years...they are all electrically activated now.

I guess that Ford 1T I was looking at just yesterday with the manual lockout hub must have been 20 years old. NOT. It was a very late model(2009 or newer), so I guess NOT all Ford 4x4 systems are electric shift on the fly.

I bet it was an '04 or earlier. You can't even buy manual locking hubs for '05 and later Fords. At least not that I've seen. For the F-150 you may not be able to find a manual locking hub after 1996.

Warn Hub Application Chart

Not 20 years since they were used, but a long time anyway.

Fast0ne wrote:

Kevin O. wrote:

Fast0ne wrote:
I think half ton trucks are great. But I still think the eco boost is way overrated and will cause auto wreckers to start stock piling all these trucks with blown motors and turbos that no one can afford to fix out of warranty.

Your just another hater. Is it because the Ecoboost out performs your sluggish V8?? :B

There have been over 600,000 Ecoboost F150's sold since they first came out in 2011. I have read about owners that work in the oil fields towing and working these trucks with 200,000+ miles on them. And you think they are way overrated? Yeh ok...

It's not 1995 anymore and the Ecoboost is the way of the future so you better get use to it...

Hey dummy I have a inline 5 motor. Trust it more than any ford pos.

Why you may ask I worked at a ford dealership and seen back in the day what piles of junk anything with a ford sticker is.

Glad you can read all the sunshine post on your ford eco junk.

Type in ford eco boost issues you will find lots. Ohhhhhh wait whats that ford has a lawsuit filed due to eco boost motors stalling under hard acceleration. And they still have yet to figure out a fix.

When I worked in the logging camps they had f150 trucks and gm 1500 trucks. My daily job was to fix body mounts and rad mounts on the hard working ford truck because they were pounded through the metal of the body. Then I got to fix there ****ty front locking hubs. And then when we weren't busy doing that we were installing new piston rings into a 5.0 motor with less than 50 thousand km on them. Yup they are great.

The 1500 gm got a oil change done and general service work done to it.

And guess what at the end of 5 years of being in the bush all the fords were sent to the scraper that was 10 trucks. Out of the gm trucks 6 were left at the camp and still used for another 4 years before being retired.

So it's good to see all the band wagon jumpers run to buy a ford eco boost. Let's see where your truck is in 10 years please stay in touch with us all.

Like I already said, it's not 1995 anymore. Why not climb out of that rock you have been living under for all these years and get with the current times...

The F150 is one of the best selling trucks on the road for a reason.

Don't let reality slap you in the face to hard. :B

Shadow_Grey wrote:
they have not had locking hubs for over 20 years...they are all electrically activated now.

I guess that Ford 1T I was looking at just yesterday with the manual lockout hub must have been 20 years old. NOT. It was a very late model(2009 or newer), so I guess NOT all Ford 4x4 systems are electric shift on the fly.

Fast0ne wrote:
Why you may ask I worked at a ford dealership and seen back in the day what piles of junk anything with a ford sticker is.

Glad you are using modern day common sense. I am sure you can find someone who worked at a Toyota dealership when they were junk. Heck, if you go back far enough you can find someone who worked at a GM dealership when they were quality. What is your point?

Comparing 20+ year old experience to modern day technology is almost the exact definition of stupidity.

20 years ago Samsung didn't make televisions. Now they are the leader in HDTV technology. Based upon your thinking, Samsung wasn't around/good 20 years ago, they can't be good now... right?

Don't be a ding dong...

Fast0ne wrote:

Kevin O. wrote:

Fast0ne wrote:
I think half ton trucks are great. But I still think the eco boost is way overrated and will cause auto wreckers to start stock piling all these trucks with blown motors and turbos that no one can afford to fix out of warranty.

Your just another hater. Is it because the Ecoboost out performs your sluggish V8?? :B

There have been over 600,000 Ecoboost F150's sold since they first came out in 2011. I have read about owners that work in the oil fields towing and working these trucks with 200,000+ miles on them. And you think they are way overrated? Yeh ok...

It's not 1995 anymore and the Ecoboost is the way of the future so you better get use to it...

Hey dummy I have a inline 5 motor. Trust it more than any ford pos.

Why you may ask I worked at a ford dealership and seen back in the day what piles of junk anything with a ford sticker is.

Glad you can read all the sunshine post on your ford eco junk.

Type in ford eco boost issues you will find lots. Ohhhhhh wait whats that ford has a lawsuit filed due to eco boost motors stalling under hard acceleration. And they still have yet to figure out a fix.

When I worked in the logging camps they had f150 trucks and gm 1500 trucks. My daily job was to fix body mounts and rad mounts on the hard working ford truck because they were pounded through the metal of the body. Then I got to fix there ****ty front locking hubs. And then when we weren't busy doing that we were installing new piston rings into a 5.0 motor with less than 50 thousand km on them. Yup they are great.

The 1500 gm got a oil change done and general service work done to it.

And guess what at the end of 5 years of being in the bush all the fords were sent to the scraper that was 10 trucks. Out of the gm trucks 6 were left at the camp and still used for another 4 years before being retired.

So it's good to see all the band wagon jumpers run to buy a ford eco boost. Let's see where your truck is in 10 years please stay in touch with us all.

Haters will hate. How long ago was that 10, 20 years ago??? Cause you are obviously talking the old pushrod 5.0 engine and they have not had locking hubs for over 20 years...they are all electrically activated now. All '70 and '80s half ton trucks were pretty weak also. You can live in the past all you want. We are talking about modern new vehicles here now...

PS...the GMs probably all sat in the parking lot while everybody used the Fords

I do have a real truck, in my signature. Today I traded my minivan for a Ram 1500 Sport. Maybe not even a real half ton with the lower payload. I loved the room in the Town and Country. I was well satisfied with the mileage. Nice engine. Not bad to drive. The road noise level I didn't like. Towing my little 4'x6' enclosed trailer in a head wind gave me 13 mpg. This half ton grocery getter is great to drive. Quiet and smooth. Lots of power though lower mpg. Will probably get better mileage towing the enclosed trailer.
This wouldn't be the first time I replaced an auto with a pickup as my daily driver and grocery getter.

dedbird wrote:
I have a 2014 Silverado 1500 with Max Towing and it tows a 10500lb 5er with ease.

And gets 24 miles/gallon on a grocery run.

Best of Both worlds

You mean it doesn't break all the lug nuts and overheat the half ton?

Half tons are capable and it's pretty rare that we actually see them with tires over loaded. Almost NEVER overloaded on tires even the so called "squishy" P rated truck tires. Axles overloaded? Yes we see that.... Tires overloaded? Pretty rare. Especially as we help the users properly set the WD hitch.

We need to understand that in the real world most vacationers are technically overloaded. I'm not even talking about RV'ers...I'm talking regular old vacationers with just a vehicle.

You know that Camry with a family of five, trunk full, bubble on the roof packed full, yep, it's "overloaded" and still handles pretty good and still brakes pretty good. but, I bet that the tires are still not overloaded.

My Town&Country has 1150 lbs of payload "excluding" the driver. Now my TC is pretty loaded up with options but doesn't have "everything" possible on it. My family of four weighs 750-800 lbs in the flesh, before gear. So us traveling on vacation are at or pretty close to GVWR with our luggage...scary huh? Guess what, so are most people traveling with half tons (that includes cars because the payload is similar on a lot of them) and families.

I see these T&C and other minivans and SUV's all the time with 7 teenage to adult size people in the car, bubble on top, loaded cargo carrier off the hitch. Are they over GVWR? Yep, are they over axle rating? Yep, are they over tire capacity? Not likely.

For example, using MY personal 2014 Town & Country as an example.

Here is the tire load sticker (including payload) and the axle rating stickers.





Now, here is where the math gets fuzzy... notice that the payload is calculated at 36 PSI? I wonder why that is? Probably for ride and comfort.

The Kumho tires on my T&C Carry a max of 1,764 lbs each at 44 PSI. Thats 3,528 lbs per axle or a total of 7,056 gross before the actual tires are overloaded...again, this is at 44PSI not the 36 PSI that the tire loading sticker says.

Why? I don't have the answer for that.

I wanted to share that example because MANY MANY MANY "overloaded" light trucks (1/2, 3/4. and 1 ton) are overloaded per the sticker on the door, but many of them (I would venture to say MOST) are under the tire load rating. Especially if they are running at Max PSI.

Many "overloaded" on Half Ton owners report good handling and point out that the tires are NOT overloaded while towing. Many with scaled weights, guess what, they are 100% correct the tires are safe... they are not going to blow out under the load because they are NOT overloaded.

I'm not advocating overloading, just pointing out that some of the math is fuzzy. (Ram payload calculation vs Ford payload calculation is another example) I am also not saying that tires don't get overloaded..it does happen. Especially if replacement tires are not equal to the OEM tires.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

Kevin O. wrote:

Fast0ne wrote:
I think half ton trucks are great. But I still think the eco boost is way overrated and will cause auto wreckers to start stock piling all these trucks with blown motors and turbos that no one can afford to fix out of warranty.

Your just another hater. Is it because the Ecoboost out performs your sluggish V8?? :B

There have been over 600,000 Ecoboost F150's sold since they first came out in 2011. I have read about owners that work in the oil fields towing and working these trucks with 200,000+ miles on them. And you think they are way overrated? Yeh ok...

It's not 1995 anymore and the Ecoboost is the way of the future so you better get use to it...

Hey dummy I have a inline 5 motor. Trust it more than any ford pos.

Why you may ask I worked at a ford dealership and seen back in the day what piles of junk anything with a ford sticker is.

Glad you can read all the sunshine post on your ford eco junk.

Type in ford eco boost issues you will find lots. Ohhhhhh wait whats that ford has a lawsuit filed due to eco boost motors stalling under hard acceleration. And they still have yet to figure out a fix.

When I worked in the logging camps they had f150 trucks and gm 1500 trucks. My daily job was to fix body mounts and rad mounts on the hard working ford truck because they were pounded through the metal of the body. Then I got to fix there ****ty front locking hubs. And then when we weren't busy doing that we were installing new piston rings into a 5.0 motor with less than 50 thousand km on them. Yup they are great.

The 1500 gm got a oil change done and general service work done to it.

And guess what at the end of 5 years of being in the bush all the fords were sent to the scraper that was 10 trucks. Out of the gm trucks 6 were left at the camp and still used for another 4 years before being retired.

So it's good to see all the band wagon jumpers run to buy a ford eco boost. Let's see where your truck is in 10 years please stay in touch with us all.

Sport45 wrote:

Dannyabear1 wrote:
OK here is easy way to tell what you have

6 lugs or less =grocery getter, soccermom mobile
7 lugs = trying hard to be a real truck
8 lugs or more = real truck

Now that's funny!





Maybe modern wheel lugs are weaker and that's why we need so many...

Yeah, I was chuckling about my puny 5 lug trucks that routinely carry 60,000.
Guess a Dayton 5 lug may be a touch different than he had in mind.