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- The 1500 megacab had an 8510# gvwr, 2500 megas were 9000#.
NC Hauler wrote:
Believe they were in a class of their own...they had more GVWR than a "regular" 1500, but not as much as the same model year 2500'....so good example to give, but again, though tagged as a 1500HD, they could handle more weight than a 1500, but not as much as the 2500' (comparing same year to same year)...
Actually splittin' hairs here, but there were a couple of years I believe that the 2500 standard duty and the 1500HD had the same GVWR, just that the 1500HD was only available in a crew cab. I believe also the Mega Cab Dodge in 1500 config had the same running gear and GVWR as a 2500 reg cab in some years. FWIW, the Ram 3500 and F450 have the same 14000 GVWR, so ignoring the badge on the side they really are the same class of truck. There are so many examples of the truck badging being almost meaningless, you really have to look at the GVWR and payload to make an accurate comparison.mich800 wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Bedlam wrote:
What's all the whining about running two equally matched GCWR trucks? For years I wondered why there is a SRW 250/2500 and 350/3500 when it could be one model with different payload packages. The same can said about the DRW 350 and 450 and even the chassis cab models could combine the 450/4500 with the 550/5500 to make just one model with different payload packages. Marketing and sales is determining where to make the cutoff and create additional models while the technology is the same. Those of you thinking this is an unfair match have fallen hook, line and sinker for the advertising. So get over it - Ford has a F350 and F450 in the segment where Ram only has the 3500 and GM has a 3500 that is only competitive with the F350.
The point is it takes a F450 to compete with RAM's 3500.
Fact is RAM has the SAE test to back up what they claim, does the Ford?
So you are stuck on the badge on the side of the truck and not the GVWR and tow ratings? Would this apply to the HD half tons that GM and Ford did in years past when the only real difference from the 3/4 tons was the sheet metal. Should they have been compared to the other half tons or 3/4 tons?
Believe they were in a class of their own...they had more GVWR than a "regular" 1500, but not as much as the same model year 2500'....so good example to give, but again, though tagged as a 1500HD, they could handle more weight than a 1500, but not as much as the 2500' (comparing same year to same year)...Cummins12V98 wrote:
Bedlam wrote:
What's all the whining about running two equally matched GCWR trucks? For years I wondered why there is a SRW 250/2500 and 350/3500 when it could be one model with different payload packages. The same can said about the DRW 350 and 450 and even the chassis cab models could combine the 450/4500 with the 550/5500 to make just one model with different payload packages. Marketing and sales is determining where to make the cutoff and create additional models while the technology is the same. Those of you thinking this is an unfair match have fallen hook, line and sinker for the advertising. So get over it - Ford has a F350 and F450 in the segment where Ram only has the 3500 and GM has a 3500 that is only competitive with the F350.
The point is it takes a F450 to compete with RAM's 3500.
Fact is RAM has the SAE test to back up what they claim, does the Ford?
So you are stuck on the badge on the side of the truck and not the GVWR and tow ratings? Would this apply to the HD half tons that GM and Ford did in years past when the only real difference from the 3/4 tons was the sheet metal. Should they have been compared to the other half tons or 3/4 tons?- I'm just glad there two dogs in this category and really don't care what they are called. As long as both push each other to be better, all of us are the winners of the result.
I am keeping an open mind for my next truck and see pros and cons to both. I will be making my own chart of strengths and weaknesses to find the truck that will work best for me as should others. If buyers are swayed by a video tow off or marketing, they may be disappointed in their decision if they don't approach their options objectively. - 12V98
Short story. We joined a travel club. One of the members walked over to talk to us. he had the same model of alpenlite as we have. Well he said I guess you don't have enough truck to tow that fifthwheel. what do you have I asked? I have a 99 F-250. We had the 2001 3500 2wd 8.1 dually at that time and later when another man at the park for our winter's stay told me I didn't have enough truck and he had a 4 slide 36 ft carriage and towed it with a 2500 short box GMC all I can think is 2 fools giving me advice. So let others give you the cold shoulder because it means nothing.
chevman Cummins12V98 wrote:
4x4ord wrote:
NC Hauler wrote:
4x4ord wrote:
I think it makes total sense to compare the F450 to the 3500 Ram. If I am wanting a truck to tow 30,000 lbs this is what these two manufacturers recommend. The engines and transmissions are designed different that to say they need to have identical rear end ratios seems foolish to me. I actually tow 30,000 lbs quite regularly with my 2011 srw and it seams to handle the weight well enough for my expectations. I have heavier trucks that I could use but my personal preference is to use the pick up for lighter loads like that.
So is the F450 cheaper in cost than the 3500 Ram? I don't know, just curious. If one wanted to tow 30,000#, there are quite a few trucks out there other than the Ram 3500 or the F450 to tow that weight with....Ford has bigger trucks, as does Ram, and of course there are MDT as well as HDH's that could do the job.
What Ford didn't offer was a matching F350 that could beat the Ram 3500...that's "usually" the way these test runs go, ie, 150's versus 1500's, 250's versus 2500's, 350 versus 3500's, But, new game and new rules instituted by Ford this year using a 2015 Ford F450.
I'll give both manufacturers one thing, they WERE using the right trucks for the right job, didn't overload either one of them...
The way I look at it is this:
First I decide what I need a truck for; then I go buy what fits the bill. If my main objective of the truck is to tow 30,000 lbs and I want to do it with a pick up: Ford is saying we designed a pick up for towing that trailer - we call a F450. Ram is saying we designed a truck for towing that weight - we call it a 3500. If the 3500 Ram can handle the load and is a significantly less expensive truck you'd think many people might choose a 3500 Ram over an F450.
They will and they are!
Look at the Mobile Suites forums. When I joined in late 2011 the vast majority of owners TV's were F450's. If you mentioned anything about a RAM you got the cold shoulder. Now most of the new purchases are RAM 3500's followed by GM's and the Ford's are far behind.
Personally I have no idea why anyone would choose an F450 over an F350 for an RV and it doesn't surprise me that Ram is gaining market share with their new truck. I even took one for a test drive last fall.larry barnhart wrote:
Jim it is the so called loser on each test that cries fowl. Nobody is losing. the trucks are like night and day since we bought our 05 3500 chev and I am happy to have it. You are happy with your truck and that is great because I would also. It is getting to be "everybody" is an expert on what and how when towing what others have. I know you feel the same. I can't wait for next month to get on the road towing with our 05 2wd crew cab dually towards our winter's resort. Be happy!!
chevman
Wished I had a winter resort.....someday:)....(23 months and counting:))....Hey, I am happy, got a loving wife, (44 yrs now), 3 great kids, 4 great grand kids, great job...yeah..I'm happy:) I count my blessings every day...
I don't claim to be an expert on anything...anytime I think I might be able to provide some helpful information, normally I'll find out that I haven't a clue what I'm talking about....
hey, you know I had an 05 Chevy 3500 cc D/A dually also, cept mine was a 4X4...great truck. :)- Jim it is the so called loser on each test that cries fowl. Nobody is losing. the trucks are like night and day since we bought our 05 3500 chev and I am happy to have it. You are happy with your truck and that is great because I would also. It is getting to be "everybody" is an expert on what and how when towing what others have. I know you feel the same. I can't wait for next month to get on the road towing with our 05 2wd crew cab dually towards our winter's resort. Be happy!!
chevman Bedlam wrote:
What's all the whining about running two equally matched GCWR trucks? For years I wondered why there is a SRW 250/2500 and 350/3500 when it could be one model with different payload packages. The same can said about the DRW 350 and 450 and even the chassis cab models could combine the 450/4500 with the 550/5500 to make just one model with different payload packages. Marketing and sales is determining where to make the cutoff and create additional models while the technology is the same. Those of you thinking this is an unfair match have fallen hook, line and sinker for the advertising. So get over it - Ford has a F350 and F450 in the segment where Ram only has the 3500 and GM has a 3500 that is only competitive with the F350.
The point is it takes a F450 to compete with RAM's 3500.
Fact is RAM has the SAE test to back up what they claim, does the Ford?
