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BarkingPup
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Jun 03, 2013

1991 Wilderness M-19E

Hi, I'm new to this forum, not new to TT camping (or tent camping), but this will be my first TT since moving out.

I want to live full-time at least for a few years. I currently live in a 300 square foot house with plenty of room. At first I wanted to build a Tumbleweed but realized that, despite how nice they look, they would tow terrible.

Now I've focused my energy on a small TT to refurbish into a full-time rig. I plan on buying a F-150 to tow it. I have lived in a 13-foot TT for a few summers and although the layout was terrible it wasn't a bad experience.

I currently have the opportunity to purchase a 1991 Wilderness Fleetwood M-19E. It's 19'x 8' and in decent condition. The floor is pristine and the toilet and bathtub/shower combo has never been used. A couple of years ago it had all of the shocks, tires, axles replaced. It's been well taken care of, winterized every time, propane hookups all work, electricity, etc. I would like to remove the dinette and fold out sofa, maybe add some shelves/ cabinets etc. I need to find out the legality of compost toilets before I go that route. HOWEVER the fridge doesn't work so it needs to be replaced and the roof has been leaking for who knows how long.

The current owner (second, never used the trailer, long story) wants $1,000 for it. I mentioned the work that would go into making it 4-seasons and they said "It's already 4-seasons. That's what Wilderness means." So I asked about enclosed underbelly, etc and they said "yes, it has all that."

I can't find much info ON the model and the manual that comes with it is more than useless. I would have to pull the insides apart to find out where the tanks, hookups, damage, insulation etc are to find out if I can modify it. I'm not afraid to begin a long project but I am afraid to pay too much for an expensive venture.

So what do the RV gurus think?

7 Replies

  • JJBIRISH wrote:
    Wilderness is a brand of Fleetwood trailers no longer made...


    That SHOULD read: "No longer made by Fleetwood." They sold the brand and now focus exclusively on MHs.

    The leaking roof is your biggest obstacle. With a TT that old you could be looking at major water damage...OR it could be localized and fixable. The problem with water damage is you don't usually know until you tear into it and look.
  • Trust me, man, I gots the time and... the passion. I do and have lived in small spaces and the best thing is to have storage and custom stuff. The 300 square foot house I live in now has none of those things and it is a nightmare. After four years of carpenter ants, casement moths, black mold, carpet beetles, squirrels, wasps etc. I'm ready to get out.

    I already have a basic list of what the innards of my TT will look like and what I need. I'm looking for a solid cheap one right now and this one fell into my lap. I'm still debating but the brand new underthings and the outer condition is tempting.
  • BarkingPup wrote:
    That's exactly what I am planning! :D

    I haven't gotten very far in your thread but was wondering if the roof is rubber or not? The Wilderness' roof actually came off when the previous owners were driving. An emergency fix and it was put back on but She got breast cancer and He died so the fixing of the problem never happened. I want a TT with a solid outside and that is the biggest problem.


    Like West said, rebuilding a tt takes $$ and Time. but when it's finished it will last way beyond what the OM every considered. as to living in a small space... Designing it the way YOU need as to making it fit.

    If you will be parked a dorm or even apt fridge would be great... for moving about, I would WANT not necessarily need some type of 3 way fridge?

    rubber roofs can be replaced, aluminum roof can also be replaced, I believe both, though rubber somewhat less depending on condition, over coated with some sealants.

    TIME and $$, your call

    Repo
  • That's exactly what I am planning! :D

    I haven't gotten very far in your thread but was wondering if the roof is rubber or not? The Wilderness' roof actually came off when the previous owners were driving. An emergency fix and it was put back on but She got breast cancer and He died so the fixing of the problem never happened. I want a TT with a solid outside and that is the biggest problem.
  • I paid a little less for my Starcraft and gutted the whole thing. My purpose was to build out a true winter-ready trailer. In the process, I was able to design the layout to more accomodate my use. I spent about seven times more than I paid for the rig in restoration costs. I will pay 1/7 in energy costs for heating and cooling in the future and will be comfortable while doing it.

    I have yet to find a TT that is truly winter-ready. Some come close like the Arctic Fox and Bigffoot line but the physics of the dimensions and mfg.'s bean counting all set limits on what's done. Besides insulation, the state-of-the-art RV furnaces are pathetic. Noisy, inefficient, poorly engineered, and power hungry are a few of the words that come to mind.

    You can look through my rebuild thread that is listed in my signature line to see what kind of antics transpired in the Cowboy/Hilton.
  • I do know that the old owners did take it winter camping with apparently no problem. It got down to -50 and they were 90 years old. Is there some way to check visually if a trailer is winterized (even a little) for future reference?

    The person selling it has a history of... mistaking questions. Perhaps he didn't quite understand what I meant...

    Yeah, I kind of figured the leaking roof would be a problem. Although I'm willing to 4-season a TT I'm not willing to pull it apart to replace every bloody thing unless I'm getting it for free.

    Thanks :)
  • Wilderness is a brand of Fleetwood trailers (no longer made) and has nothing to do with being a 4 season trailer…

    If the roof has been leaking for any length of time be prepared to gut and rebuild the whole trailer…

    I would pass on it altogether…