jmtandem I miss the point!! you can't see the forest for the trees. I am paying over $50000 CAN for the TC. Camper outlet and Chalet RV CONVICE me before I give the $5000 deposit to have it built not to worry that the camper will be up to my EXPECTATIONS. I have to pay the ballance in FULL by wire transfer 5 days before I take the road (3000 m) to pick it up in OR. If I am getting the same treatment and camper (according to the pictures) as he did I will complain before and after I thrown it into the Saint Lawrence river. No way I will go back there to have it fixed. And I will post on this forum and get the same treatment as he did. but I am positive and everything will be ok.