2016 F450 Setup

Nautique200 wrote:
David,
Would you mind posting a picture of your truck?

Would you believe after all that $ I never took a "centerfold" shot. the only profile pic I have is when she took a ride on a flatbed last week when I lost the low pressure fuel pump.

I'll put that on my todo list and post up.

Nautique200 wrote:

egarant wrote:
The axle rating is only one aspect in a whole lot of other calculations go into that final CCC rating (brakes, suspension, frame stiffness, etc.).

When I was looking for the truck with the highest cargo rating I was routinely disappointed in what I saw in the F450's glovebox.

I don't believe for a moment that any truck manufacturer is "downgrading" any ratings on their big trucks, they are always pushing the numbers higher to get bragging rights in that class.

The 450 is best for towing.
The 350 is best for cargo carrying.

But if you chose to "read between the lines" be prepared to live with the C$O$S$T of that decision.

No offense but the cost I have incurred by having my truck at the dealership over and over because it doesn't like any load on it is why I am jumping ship. Ram can't seem to fix it and I am through messing around with it. So the COST as you put it is coming from the Ram and if you can't look at the build components of the F450 and realize the advantages it has then by all means enjoy your Ram.

If you re-read my post, you will notice that I WAS NOT picking any one truck over another, just adding my two cents to the question the OP asked.

If you feel happy about trashing the truck I purchased because of the bad experience you say you had, then I hope your happy.

I've driven a full size American truck, all three brands for 40 years, don't imagine what I know or don't know about trucks.

2BLAZERS wrote:

egarant wrote:
The axle rating is only one aspect in a whole lot of other calculations go into that final CCC rating (brakes, suspension, frame stiffness, etc.).

When I was looking for the truck with the highest cargo rating I was routinely disappointed in what I saw in the F450's glovebox.

I don't believe for a moment that any truck manufacturer is "downgrading" any ratings on their big trucks, they are always pushing the numbers higher to get bragging rights in that class.

The 450 is best for towing.
The 350 is best for cargo carrying.

But if you chose to "read between the lines" be prepared to live with the C$O$S$T of that decision.

When I was looking to replace my 2011 Ram 3500 12,200 GVW my conclusion was I either needed to go real big, ie Ram 5500 flatbed and then purchase a new/used daily driver too,

or

learn to live with a 14K rated 2016 Ram 3500 that I received 08/28. :)

The 14K rated trucks do great with the smaller but bigger :) campers like my AF 1150 but yay I'm not going to put a 4 slide Host or something on it and tow. And I can still drive my dually to work as my daily driver.

There are some companies that take F550 / Ram 5500 and fit a 9' truck box to it to make it look like a pickup but the $$$.

I really liked the Ram 5500 and flatbed but really just don't want to deal with another car/suv/truck at home to be my daily driver.

I agree 100%

egarant wrote:
The axle rating is only one aspect in a whole lot of other calculations go into that final CCC rating (brakes, suspension, frame stiffness, etc.).

When I was looking for the truck with the highest cargo rating I was routinely disappointed in what I saw in the F450's glovebox.

I don't believe for a moment that any truck manufacturer is "downgrading" any ratings on their big trucks, they are always pushing the numbers higher to get bragging rights in that class.

The 450 is best for towing.
The 350 is best for cargo carrying.

But if you chose to "read between the lines" be prepared to live with the C$O$S$T of that decision.

No offense but the cost I have incurred by having my truck at the dealership over and over because it doesn't like any load on it is why I am jumping ship. Ram can't seem to fix it and I am through messing around with it. So the COST as you put it is coming from the Ram and if you can't look at the build components of the F450 and realize the advantages it has then by all means enjoy your Ram.

David,
Would you mind posting a picture of your truck?

egarant wrote:
The axle rating is only one aspect in a whole lot of other calculations go into that final CCC rating (brakes, suspension, frame stiffness, etc.).

When I was looking for the truck with the highest cargo rating I was routinely disappointed in what I saw in the F450's glovebox.

I don't believe for a moment that any truck manufacturer is "downgrading" any ratings on their big trucks, they are always pushing the numbers higher to get bragging rights in that class.

The 450 is best for towing.
The 350 is best for cargo carrying.

But if you chose to "read between the lines" be prepared to live with the C$O$S$T of that decision.

When I was looking to replace my 2011 Ram 3500 12,200 GVW my conclusion was I either needed to go real big, ie Ram 5500 flatbed and then purchase a new/used daily driver too,

or

learn to live with a 14K rated 2016 Ram 3500 that I received 08/28. :)

The 14K rated trucks do great with the smaller but bigger :) campers like my AF 1150 but yay I'm not going to put a 4 slide Host or something on it and tow. And I can still drive my dually to work as my daily driver.

There are some companies that take F550 / Ram 5500 and fit a 9' truck box to it to make it look like a pickup but the $$$.

I really liked the Ram 5500 and flatbed but really just don't want to deal with another car/suv/truck at home to be my daily driver.

The axle rating is only one aspect in a whole lot of other calculations go into that final CCC rating (brakes, suspension, frame stiffness, etc.).

When I was looking for the truck with the highest cargo rating I was routinely disappointed in what I saw in the F450's glovebox.

I don't believe for a moment that any truck manufacturer is "downgrading" any ratings on their big trucks, they are always pushing the numbers higher to get bragging rights in that class.

The 450 is best for towing.
The 350 is best for cargo carrying.

But if you chose to "read between the lines" be prepared to live with the C$O$S$T of that decision.

Bedlam wrote:
The F450 pick up comes with the 14.5k lb Dana S111 while the F450 chassis cab comes with the 14k lb Dana S110. The F550 comes with either Dana S110 or 16k lb Dana S130 based on the options chosen.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2016/16_SD_Pickups_SB_Updates.pdf

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2016/16_SD_ChassisCabs_SB_Updates.pdf

http://www.dana.com/wps/wcm/connect/dext2cv/commercial+vehicle/home/products/drive+axles/s110

http://www.dana.com/wps/wcm/connect/dext2cv/commercial+vehicle/home/products/drive+axles/s130

Well there you go! I knew it was something besides the 110. When they first announced the "new 450pu" there was so much back and forth on what it was actually going to be comprised of (brakes, axle, suspension etc.). Since I purchased I really haven't cared. :)

The F450 pick up comes with the 14.5k lb Dana S111 while the F450 chassis cab comes with the 14k lb Dana S110. The F550 comes with either Dana S110 or 16k lb Dana S130 based on the options chosen.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2016/16_SD_Pickups_SB_Updates.pdf

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2016/16_SD_ChassisCabs_SB_Updates.pdf

http://www.dana.com/wps/wcm/connect/dext2cv/commercial+vehicle/home/products/drive+axles/s110

http://www.dana.com/wps/wcm/connect/dext2cv/commercial+vehicle/home/products/drive+axles/s130

Nautique200 wrote:
Thanks for your concern, here is what I know.

The Dana 110 axle that the F450 has in the rear is rated to 14,000lbs from Dana. Its derated to meet the 14K GVWR that Ford chose to put on the truck. That is why the payload is less than the F350 of which has the same 14K GVWR. The truck is an upgraded version of the F350 with heavier duty parts. You kind of have to read through the lines. My assumption here is that they put the low GVWR to make it easier to register the truck and get insurance on. The truck will be more truck than I currently have, I have not doubt about it.

As I said earlier, the Ram is a great truck too.

Not that it really matters since the rear GAWR is set by Ford but I believe the 450 comes with a DANA S130 rated at 16k lb. If it wasn't dark and cold outside I'd go confirm. Either way it's big.