OP here, I did not get the truck, just had a bad vibe about it. Spoke with a gentleman who had a F450, now drives a 16 F350 pulling 24000 lbs and prefers the F350. He said the tires on the F450 cost a small fortune and can be hard to find on a weekend or holiday if something were to happen. Also, the F450 sat higher than my current truck so level towing was out of the equation. Will go look at Ram when I get time. Luckily no hurry to get another truck. Thanks for all the input. If anyone is interested in the F450 it's at the Ford dealer in Rome, GA.