article and videoSurprising difference across the different brands (and cab choice). Interesting material if you are in the market and safety is high on your list.

Interesting how some makers will attack the test if they have trouble passing!

I was highly critical of Ford's performance with the small overlap with the extended cab last year. Glad they fixed it. I'm surprised at how poor the Ram and Tundra performed. Thanks for sharing!Jeremiah

Odd crash test: "small overlap front crash"I love my Fords, but what is with all these individual crash tests? Sometimes it seems like they are tailoring the crash tests to get the results they want. What about taking results from all the different tests and averaging them? Front, rear, 1/2 front, sideswipe, the small overlap test in the original post, etc. Are averaged results of all crash tests available somewhere?

I was also very critical of Ford for the Extended cab's poor performance and missing safety equipment last year. Credit to them for going above and beyond with the fixes in the new model year. I hope the other brands can match that performance on their next new models.

Tvov wrote:Odd crash test: "small overlap front crash"I love my Fords, but what is with all these individual crash tests? Sometimes it seems like they are tailoring the crash tests to get the results they want. What about taking results from all the different tests and averaging them? Front, rear, 1/2 front, sideswipe, the small overlap test in the original post, etc. Are averaged results of all crash tests available somewhere?What happens is the Manufactures get quite adept at keeping the occupants safe. So then the testing agencies find new ways of challenging the structure of the vehicle, hents the small overlap. It is not an easy test to do well on, as all the force is applied outside of the frame rails.Individual crash tests are the best way to determine the likelihood of injury to occupants of the vehicle in a controlled, repeatable environment. If you want them combined, you can go to IIHS or NHTSA and read, they have the results from each vehicle they've tested.jerem0621 wrote:I was highly critical of Ford's performance with the small overlap with the extended cab last year. Glad they fixed it. I'm surprised at how poor the Ram and Tundra performed. Thanks for sharing!JeremiahAgreed on all points. Glad you enjoyed.

2016 half ton IIHS crash testing small overlap | Good Sam Community

jerem0621
Explorer II
Apr 18, 2016
patriotgrunt wrote:
itguy08 wrote:
I'll bet the 2018 Ram will be junk just like the current versions. FCA has basically no capital left and needs someone to merge with. And they have never been stellar in safety or reliability so not much will change there either.

Ram = junk as always.

As a Ford guy I'll be the first to say Ram isn't junk. They make very capable trucks. The requirements for this test were introduced after the current Ram was designed. They'll incorporate the necessary changes for the next redesign because Ram makes a ton of money for FCA.

77 pages of Recreational reading concerning the 'no capital' comment...
patriotgrunt
Explorer
Apr 18, 2016
itguy08 wrote:
I'll bet the 2018 Ram will be junk just like the current versions. FCA has basically no capital left and needs someone to merge with. And they have never been stellar in safety or reliability so not much will change there either.

Ram = junk as always.

As a Ford guy I'll be the first to say Ram isn't junk. They make very capable trucks. The requirements for this test were introduced after the current Ram was designed. They'll incorporate the necessary changes for the next redesign because Ram makes a ton of money for FCA.
ROBERTSUNRUS
Explorer
Apr 17, 2016
itguy08 wrote:
I'll bet the 2018 Ram will be junk just like the current versions. FCA has basically no capital left and needs someone to merge with. And they have never been stellar in safety or reliability so not much will change there either.

Ram = junk as always.

:) Hi, right after Perrysburg Dodgeboy made his nicest post ever, you had to bash RAM big time. You should feel bad. :S
DakotaDad
Explorer
Apr 17, 2016
:) I think one of Fish's minions has escaped again!
itguy08
Explorer
Apr 17, 2016
I'll bet the 2018 Ram will be junk just like the current versions. FCA has basically no capital left and needs someone to merge with. And they have never been stellar in safety or reliability so not much will change there either.

Ram = junk as always.
Perrysburg_Dodg
Explorer
Apr 15, 2016
Yep Ford did the best with the small off set test. The thing that puzzles me is the Ram received a poor rating in the structure test? If you look at the pictures Troy linked, both the GM/Chevy and Toyota's A pillar have actually ripped but yet they got marginal to good?

The Ford's LF tire actually does rotate 90 degrees and protects both the A-pillar and foot well from being damaged. Every other truck the wheel/tire moves straight back in to the A-pillar and foot well of the truck with the Toyota being the worst than the Ram and lastly the GM/Chevy. You can see this in the videos. In the pics the wheel/tire, fender and doors have been removed the help show how much damage has been caused.

Hats off to Ford for building a safer truck. Now lets see what Ram does in 2017 when it gets it's ground up remake like Ford, GM/Chevy and Toyota did in 2015, and 2016? for the Toy?

Remember Troy just two years ago the Ford had the exact same IIHS ratings as every other truck, not one made the top pick list. 2015 only the F-150 crew cab or SC made the list. For 2016 they (Ford) addressed the club cab to bring it up to the crew cabs ratings. So again two thumbs up for Ford!

So Troy are you saying anyone with a Ram should sell it do to these tests?
FishOnOne
Nomad
Apr 15, 2016
bguy wrote:
I haven't viewed the pictures but someone on another forum pointed out that of all the trucks tested the Ford was the only one with the RF wheel turned out at an angle. Whether by design or coincidence it would seem that fact could have a great influence on intrusion.

I would suggest you look at the pictures for yourself and perhaps even share these pictures on this other forum.
shepstone
Explorer
Apr 15, 2016
The wheel on the Toyota looks like its right in the cab.
bguy
Explorer
Apr 15, 2016
I haven't viewed the pictures but someone on another forum pointed out that of all the trucks tested the Ford was the only one with the RF wheel turned out at an angle. Whether by design or coincidence it would seem that fact could have a great influence on intrusion.
**edit below**

I just looked at the pictures linked in the above post. I don't see what they were talking about with the wheel. Looks to me like the Ford and the Ram both lost their wheel. The Toyota's wheel looks to be partially in the passenger compartment while the GM not so much.

Some question the need for this particular test with a relatively small amount of accidents. Where would we be safety wise if we used that approach?

I recently told DW that if you see a head on collision and you cannot avoid it to turn square into the other vehicle at the last second. That's the safest way. A lot to think about in the moment I guess.
FishOnOne
Nomad
Apr 15, 2016
Here's some of the aftermath pictures of the trucks from the crash tests. Looking at the door opening the Ford looks like it have very little distortion and the Chevy having a little more. The ram and Toyota look really bad and perhaps a bit of an eye opener.

Crash Test Pictures