2016 Nissan Titan 5.6 V8 w/much improved HP/Torque

Bionic Man wrote:
Not sure about AZ, but in Colorado the payload sticker only matters for warranty. Nothing legal about it.

People can, and will, sue over anything. Doesn't really matter what a sticker on the truck says.

Will then in CO you will have to explain to a judge how you determined the (overloaded) weight you put in the truck and how it's designed to hold that weight and how you know more than the engineers who designed the truck. I would be interested to know if it's not the PAYLOAD sticker that determines the baseline then what is?

It will be interesting!

If one looses a lawsuit over a factory weight recommendation payload sticker, that In-law's friend's golfing buddy lawyer probably wasn't a good idea.

Not sure about AZ, but in Colorado the payload sticker only matters for warranty. Nothing legal about it.

People can, and will, sue over anything. Doesn't really matter what a sticker on the truck says.

IdaD wrote:

otrfun wrote:

smkettner wrote:

CKNSLS wrote:
You can't compare Ford's 22 configurations. You have to compare the one closest to the Titan in price and options. Then that truck is the one you would compare the payload figure to.

So the Titan is stuck at 2150. No thanks.

Just saying you could put 800HP in the Titan but without an increased payload rating the capacity to tow or general RV usability does not increase.
JMHO

Am I missing something? Current model 3/4 ton Ram 2500 CTD 4x4 CC SB ST's only have around 2200 lbs. of payload (typical door sticker).

If the 1/2+ ton Titan is "stuck at 2150", it's got good company.

We don't really need to have this discussion again, do we? The 3/4 ton diesel payload rating is all about the 10,000 GVWR limit the manufacturers are trying to stay under.

Yes, I agree there may be some credence to what you say.

However, what if you're involved in a serious accident and a trigger-happy lawyer on the opposing side sees your payload sticker and concludes you were overloaded? The legal burden of proof that weren't overloaded is all on you. Rather doubt Ram is going to come to your defense. To my knowledge that payload sticker is the only legal payload/GVWR document your truck has.

otrfun wrote:
Am I missing something? Current model 3/4 ton Ram 2500 CTD 4x4 CC SB ST's only have around 2200 lbs. of payload (typical door sticker).

If the 1/2+ ton Titan is "stuck at 2150", it's got good company.

Well if you plan to stay in the payload rating then either truck can haul about the same.

CKNSLS wrote:
And Fords bottom payload model is what? We need facts not a basher.

Why would you option the lowest payload rating for towing an RV?

BTW I posted the Ford payload link above.

All pickup threads end up this way-just like ST tire threads. You need a 1 ton Cummins on here to tow a pop-up! That's why people are fleeing this board in droves.

otrfun wrote:

smkettner wrote:

CKNSLS wrote:
You can't compare Ford's 22 configurations. You have to compare the one closest to the Titan in price and options. Then that truck is the one you would compare the payload figure to.

So the Titan is stuck at 2150. No thanks.

Just saying you could put 800HP in the Titan but without an increased payload rating the capacity to tow or general RV usability does not increase.
JMHO

Am I missing something? Current model 3/4 ton Ram 2500 CTD 4x4 CC SB ST's only have around 2200 lbs. of payload (typical door sticker).

If the 1/2+ ton Titan is "stuck at 2150", it's got good company.

We don't really need to have this discussion again, do we? The 3/4 ton diesel payload rating is all about the 10,000 GVWR limit the manufacturers are trying to stay under.

Ron3rd wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

spoon059 wrote:
Those are good numbers for a gas engine. I haven't kept up to date with the Nissan Titan, but aren't the GVWR numbers increased due to the Cummins 5.0 engine? If they put the lighter 5.6 gas in the same truck with higher payload, that could draw a fair number of truck buyers...

2000+ lbs payload, 400+ HP and torque, hopefully respectable fuel mileage and a reasonable price. I think there is a market for this truck... they key being a reasonable price.

Looks like the Tundra is now at the bottom of the totem pole.

Tundra owner here, and I kinda agree. Toyota's done almost as bad a job at staying competitive as Nissan with the Titan, which Nissan really let die on the vine; they truck is virtually unchanged since 2004. The Tundra is virtually unchanged since 2007 except for new sheetmetal and interior. Not a good way to stay competitive in the 1/2 ton market. The irony is the Tundra's a great truck and could be so much better. Having said that, I'll be sad to see the old Tundra go, she's been an outstanding truck. Moving up to a CTD in the fall.

Toyota has no interest in taking any kind of lead-role in the 1/2 segment. They tried that once and it was a bust.

The Tundra alone sells around 100k+ units a year. Actually pretty impressive considering their "numbers" come in near the bottom on most road tests. Their forte in the market is reliability, or more appropriately, perceived relibility by the folks that purchase them. Toyota has (accidentally--lol!) found their healthy niche in the market and are maximizing profits per a unit with a low R&D budget---the Tundra is making good money for Toyota.

The "typical" Tundra owner (I said typical, not those on rv.net) lives in the suburbs and doesn't put a priority on the "numbers". Tundra commercials are rare, but when they air, they show a suburban family using their Tundra to move household and yard items around. A far cry from the very manly Ram, Chevy, and Ford truck commercials . . . for a reason.

smkettner wrote:

CKNSLS wrote:
You can't compare Ford's 22 configurations. You have to compare the one closest to the Titan in price and options. Then that truck is the one you would compare the payload figure to.

So the Titan is stuck at 2150. No thanks.

Just saying you could put 800HP in the Titan but without an increased payload rating the capacity to tow or general RV usability does not increase.
JMHO

Am I missing something? Current model 3/4 ton Ram 2500 CTD 4x4 CC SB ST's only have around 2200 lbs. of payload (typical door sticker).

If the 1/2+ ton Titan is "stuck at 2150", it's got good company.