2017 F350

Threebigfords wrote:
You're right, it's not too hard to figure out, one look under the trucks at the rear axles and brakes and it's obvious which one is built to carry more weight.:R Can you seriously compare the Dana 80 in the Ram 3500 to the Dana S130 in the F450?? Ones rated for 11k from the manufacturer, the other for 16k. Seems like pretty simple math to me.

This has been discussed to death. The only reason the RAWR is lower is due to Ford's desire to stay under the 14,000 GVWR.

So you can continue to ignore the higher GCVW ratings, the higher 5th wheel tow ratings, better brakes, better turning radius better HP,larger cab, better tow mirrors etc. if you like, but the big dog on the block is currently the F450, and for 2017 expect the gap to widen with the weight loss the superduties are receiving.

I do agree on the airbag issue, it would be nice if Ford offered a factory air ride similar to a Kelderman setup, or even the Ram's optional self leveling system. I too put bags on my F450 right out of the gate, as I do with all my trucks.

I will say however that for how I use my truck, the lower rear ride height helps considerably in getting tools in and out.

The axle is not what supports the weight to some degree. It's the frame and springs. Obviously Ford can't rate the rear axle for more than 9,100# or they sure would.

I think you keep comparing the 3rd gen RAM's because RAM has NOT used Dana axles in their 2500/3500 trucks since 2002. Mine is a AmericanAxle 11.8" ring gear I believe.

Bottom line is the RAM Dually 3500's are a 4500 with a 3500 badge. Look at the front suspension on the 3500 and 450 they are VERY similar. The rear is beefier on the 3500 minus the gear set.

I am sure the F series trucks will out do the RAM line for 2017 then it will be RAM and GM's turn to upgrade.