2021 Ram 3500 H.O.

ShinerBock wrote:

4x4ord wrote:

Company’s pay huge money to advertise because it works. If Ram can advertise best in class weights .... or “the pickup up with the Cummins engine producing more torque than any other pick up has ever produced” they can, in a way, make a claim that they are “best” and here are the numbers to prove it. Most of us on this forum know that the Powwrstroke is a better engine than the Cummins so our opinions are not affected by advertising.:)

But that is our point. It works because fanboys like to tout these numbers of their favorite brand even though they don't own the truck which. To these type of buyers and internet fanboys, highest power figures(even if they are not sustained) and tow ratings is what lifts their skirts to get them to buy X brand. Although I think the fanboys will buy a their brand regardless of whether these numbers are "best in class" or not.

Other types of buyers and fanboys of certain brands tend to focus on things like reliability, sustained power ratings, and ease of repair if needed. There are also other groups that may think something else like fuel efficiency or exhaust braking is more important above power ratings(sustained or not) and tow ratings due to how they use their trucks. What each considered is a better engine would be different amongst all types.

Then this may all change in 350/450/550 cab in chassis trucks since the Powerstroke is not the highest power ratings. In this class of trucks, the Cummins(360 hp) actually makes more horsepower than the Powerstroke(330 hp) which is mainly due to the emissions and ratings being more of a sustained ratings test rather than a short burst test of the pickups.

In my opinion, I believe that this is the reason why Ford posts short term power ratings in their pickup trucks because these kind of figures are important to the people that buy their trucks so they try to get the highest figures possible even though it is a little deceiving because you will not get these numbers when using the truck as intended. You would get them unloaded going stop light to stop light, but as you say, that is what your Civic is for so it is pointless in your truck. Hence the reason why loads tend to effect certain engines more than others. Some companies feel that tuning for sustained power ratings is a more honest even if it means that it isn't the highest.

Shiner if you were a GM guy I wouldn’t bother arguing with you but Ford and Ram have been one upping one another for years while GM seems to stay out of the numbers war. I haven't kept track but I think Ram has probably been last up the hill in more TFL Ike pulls than anyone and GM has probably taken the most first place wins ... yet GM often has the lowest ratings.