2021 Ram 3500 H.O.

Sorry Shiner. That was a deliberate little poke. I’ll quit. It seems as though the 4.2 pump must be much less likely to fail as compared to the first years of manufacturing. If the failure rate was of concern to Cummins or Ford you’d think they’d change fuel system suppliers, or at least threaten to change, in order to force Bosch to come up with a better design.

4x4ord wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
Why don’t they design and manufacture their own fuel system .... or at least pump?

Do you really know what that entails and how much it would cost? There is a reason why all three opt to get their pumps from suppliers rather than making the fuel system themselves. In fact, most of the stuff on the engine comes from suppliers.


The same goes for all three. Take the Powerstroke for instance, Ford may make the block and many of the other hard parts in their foundry in Mexico, but the pistons likely comes from Mahle. The ECM probably still comes from Continental. The fuel system comes from Bosch. The turbo has come from different suppliers over the years like Garret or Borg-Warner. Same goes for the Cummins except that Cummins owns its own turbo manufacturer, Holset.

I have no idea what it would cost. Apparently too much for a little company like Cummins. Maybe Ford will have to step up to the plate and show them how it’s done.:)

Seriously, why the constant passive aggressive jabs and pi$$ing on other people's engine choice? You guys act like my brother's vindictive ex-wife who always had to get her jabs in with every statement. And statements like this is the reason I call BS when you say you are not a fanboy or bias toward certain brands.

ShinerBock wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
Why don’t they design and manufacture their own fuel system .... or at least pump?

Do you really know what that entails and how much it would cost? There is a reason why all three opt to get their pumps from suppliers rather than making the fuel system themselves. In fact, most of the stuff on the engine comes from suppliers.


The same goes for all three. Take the Powerstroke for instance, Ford may make the block and many of the other hard parts in their foundry in Mexico, but the pistons likely comes from Mahle. The ECM probably still comes from Continental. The fuel system comes from Bosch. The turbo has come from different suppliers over the years like Garret or Borg-Warner. Same goes for the Cummins except that Cummins owns its own turbo manufacturer, Holset.

I have no idea what it would cost. Apparently too much for a little company like Cummins. Maybe Ford will have to step up to the plate and show them how it’s done.:)

FishOnOne wrote:

Huckleberry,
Just a response to your statement a while back and your comment that cummins let's the other manufactures work out the kinks before they jump on board type of excuse. And no problem as I can provide responses to those types of statements as well as cummins has some kinks to work out for themselves right now.
F

Yes, but you cherry picked my statement to suit your predetermined narrative to throw rocks to make this into a brand thing when it isn't. That is the difference between you and I. For you it is always about your favorite brand versus another brand and you think that others think the same way when they don't. Just like the grouping thing from earlier in this thread where you were thinking that I meant something that wasn't even the case.

I don't purposely go out of my way in threads about a Powerstroke just to pi$$ on someone else's engine choice and say mine is better than yours like a 6 year old would. And yes, I think Cummins owners are being childish when they do it in PSD/Dmax threads as well.

BTW, I just want to state here that I grouped PSD and Dmax together because I own a Cummins. I would have grouped the CTD and PSD together if I owned a Duramax or Dmax and CTD together if I owned a Powerstroke. I don't want you to inject your brand warfare way of thinking into my statements again.

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

blofgren wrote:
Yes, the Cummins 6.7L is in MANY more applications than just the Ram pickups. We just bought a new sweeper at my work and guess what, it is powered by a Cummins 6.7L just like one of our other sweepers is, along with many of our standby generators, as well as some of our older Ford F-650's. They all get worked hard and all have been extremely reliable.

Are any of them 2019/2020 models? A few months ago Shiner reported here that Cummins is late to the game with updates because they thoroughly test their product before making changes in which I got a eyebrow raise event.

Link

Yes and no. I said Cummins generally doesn't make changes to new parts until they have thoroughly tested or are forced to due to having to meet new or future emissions regulations. The CP4 is a case of the later and also since Bosch will not be making new CP3's anymore so they kind of don't have a choice regardless. We can hardly buy new CP3's from our suppliers like Diesel Forward and so on. They are still available in inventories, but new pumps are not being produced, only reman.

However, if your point is to turn this into "find every youtube video or link of the others person truck", then I will be your huckleberry cause I can guarantee that I can find a lot on your favorite brand.....

Huckleberry,
Just a response to your statement a while back and your comment that cummins let's the other manufactures work out the kinks before they jump on board type of excuse. And no problem as I can provide responses to those types of statements as well as cummins has some kinks to work out for themselves right now.
F

4x4ord wrote:
Why don’t they design and manufacture their own fuel system .... or at least pump?

Do you really know what that entails and how much it would cost? There is a reason why all three opt to get their pumps from suppliers rather than making the fuel system themselves. In fact, most of the stuff on the engine comes from suppliers.


The same goes for all three. Take the Powerstroke for instance, Ford may make the block and many of the other hard parts in their foundry in Mexico, but the pistons likely comes from Mahle. The ECM probably still comes from Continental. The fuel system comes from Bosch. The turbo has come from different suppliers over the years like Garret or Borg-Warner. Same goes for the Cummins except that Cummins owns its own turbo manufacturer, Holset.

Why don’t they design and manufacture their own fuel system .... or at least pump?

FishOnOne wrote:

blofgren wrote:
Yes, the Cummins 6.7L is in MANY more applications than just the Ram pickups. We just bought a new sweeper at my work and guess what, it is powered by a Cummins 6.7L just like one of our other sweepers is, along with many of our standby generators, as well as some of our older Ford F-650's. They all get worked hard and all have been extremely reliable.

Are any of them 2019/2020 models? A few months ago Shiner reported here that Cummins is late to the game with updates because they thoroughly test their product before making changes in which I got a eyebrow raise event.

Link

Yes and no. I said Cummins generally doesn't make changes to new parts until they have thoroughly tested or are forced to due to having to meet new or future emissions regulations. The CP4 is a case of the later and also since Bosch will not be making new CP3's anymore so they kind of don't have a choice regardless. We can hardly buy new CP3's from our suppliers like Diesel Forward and so on. They are still available in inventories, but new pumps are not being produced, only reman.

However, if your point is to turn this into "find every youtube video or link of the others person truck", then I will be your huckleberry cause I can guarantee that I can find a lot on your favorite brand.....

"I mean what’s your opinion about the Cummins that’s 370/850? I’m thinking with 4.10’s that combo will be just awesome for loads under 25k."

My 15 DRW/AISIN is a measly 385/865 and it moves my combined 35k double tow load just fine all across the West Coast. Trans nor engine ever gets hot even in 100 degree weather pulling long 6% grades.

Well there’s no doubt that if you go into limp mode or stall you’ll need to get on the brake and off the side of the road.