jus2shy wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Willcamp4 wrote:
Not to fuel the fire , but being a long-term Ford owner and lover I found this interesting. I searched the internet for articles on the longest lasting vehicles. I was not surprised to see that the F-250 Ford Super-Duty was at the top of the list, or that 15% more of them made it to 200K miles than the second place Chevy 2500HD. No car made the top ten, (highest car was the Accord at #12) and the coveted Toyota Camry didn't make the top 20. Only three cars made the top 20 with most being pickups or SUVs. The top five were:
Ford F-250 Super Duty
Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD
Chevrolet Suburban
Toyota 4Runner
Ford Expedition
What really surprised me was that no Dodge/Ram product except the Durango made the top 20. This study was of the percentage of each model originally sold that is still on the road at 200K miles. Although the manufacturers claim that they are building new cars that are capable of lasting 250K miles, surprisingly few are still around by then.
Here's the list. :B
Link
Hate to burst your bubble, but did you read their methodology? Only looked at 30 million of their own sales listed on their website. That's a literal drop in the bucket when you consider there are about 2 cars for every American. Now it would of been interesting if they had DMV numbers or something from every state. Like when Chevy or Ford claim to have the longest lasting most dependable trucks, they both claim a certain year range of vehicles and DMV registrations in fine print on the ads typically.
So given the methodology. Could it mean that Dodge trucks are just kept by more of their owners and not put on the "Used" market so often? Or maybe Dodges tend to be sold on another website like cars.com? Or maybe Dodges just plain suck and never make it to 200k, but the engine block is sitting in someone's front yard with nothing around it? Many ways to interpret that methodology, which is why I only bring it up that it's important to read the fine print.
Quote from the list (at the bottom)
Methodology:
iSeeCars.com analyzed 30 million used cars listed on iSeeCars.com over the last year and studied the vehicles with models years between 1981 to 2010 and those with over 200K miles on the odometer. For each vehicle model, the number of 200K mile cars as a percentage of the total number of vehicles listed for the model was calculated; the number was then used to rank each model.
About iSeeCars.com:
iSeeCars is a car search engine that helps consumers find the best deal by providing key insights and analysis about each used car. The proprietary iSeeCars algorithm ranks cars by calculating an overall score based on analysis of the car’s condition, history, negotiability, price and the seller. Based in the Boston area, iSeeCars was founded by former TripAdvisor and SAP developers and executives determined to improve the used car shopping experience for consumers.
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Problem here. How many times have you looked at a used car listing that did not list the mileage? Many 175,000+ mile cars never list the mileage, and I wonder how that was taken into account on this informal survey of cars listed for sale at one website. If I wanted someone to look at my 225,000 mile car that is in great shape, I might not list the actual mileage on the form. Let the customer find out that the car is well taken care of, and has a great engine in it when they come to look at it.
So how did the survey deal with cars that did not list the actual mileage? And how did they deal with a 1975 F-250 with 300,000 miles on it, and compare this to the other 5,000 trucks with lower mileage just because they where a lot newer. Perhaps iSeeCars.com only used statistics from 1980 and later listings? How would they deal with a 1975, when they only went up to 99,999 miles before rolling over to 0 miles? I am not sure when 1,000,000 mile odometers started showing up.
I did read about a post at Rv.Net of a used Duramax being turned into a dealership with 750,000 + miles on it. The owner had used it to pull a trailer delivering cars all over the country. They call them "Hot Shot" drivers because they use heavy duty pickups to make what should be "Commercial" deliveries, yet are using a much smaller truck to avoid taxes, weight station stops (not required with pickup style body trucks in many states - even if they are 15,000 GVWR) (though some states require weight station stops for all commercial vehicles over 10,000 GCVWR) better fuel mileage, and lower initial cost.
