A top to bottom look at green energy
I struggled with deciding in which forum to start this discussion. It could be germane to a lot of them. But since the Tesla thread has had so much activity, and Tesla's technology is central in the c...
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Most all of our known energy sources came/comes from the Sun.
Crude is plant or organic based, which is just another form of stored Sun energy that took millions of years to create. We are burning through it in just decades to a century or so.
Wind is Sun based, as our weather is all based on solar heating/cooling to form low/high pressure areas where they push/pull air. Add in our planets rotation, which moves the air.
Nuclear is questionable whether Sun based and have been in many discussions over the decades. Nuclear is the highest density form of potential energy, but has great down sides...or better stated...many more down sides.
All are manageable with the big question...at what cost? On that, time factors that cost.
“Clean energy” or “zero pollution” are more marketing than substantive. Go back into their origins and you will find crude at the source...as we know it today.
Science continues to marvel.
Example is hydrogen. Pure hydrogen used to take more energy to produce than it provides in the form of usable energy....but...that has been chipped at for decades and decades. Current best practice is photonics to split hydrogen and oxygen atoms with claimed 99% or higher efficiency.
Then compressing that now very economical gaseous hydrogen into a liquid then consumes much energy. That is where one of my research teams were working on while in SunLabs
We invented a solid state gas to liquid compressor with no moving parts....except for a one way valve (automotive AC and about $1.99) so it would pump.
But...all that then requires electrical power, but now much into the noise level.
Sizing for what society is accustomed to will be another issue, but solvable. Society will just have to change.
Batteries will become obsolete except for the very small applications. To be replaced by containers holding liquid hydrogen.
The diamond compression to create electricity is of interest, but currently only in the very, very low outage & power ranges. More scientific curiosity in the lab, but that is how most all things start out as...an idea...then a prototype or proof of concept model.
Society will NOT willing move in mass unless catastrophe or mandated by government.
Then everything in the food chain to the final usage or application of power.
EVERYTHING we produce/manufacture/service/etc currently has crude base materials, processes, etc.
The change will need to happen EVERYWHERE at almost the same time. Piece meal won’t cut it an too many 2 steps forward with 3-4 steps backwards. Leading to frustration of society and that will lead to distrust in the ‘new’ processes & products mandated by the government
Current IP for EV’s only a stop gap and is best practices of the moment.
Shinerbock has been saying fuel cell the way to go and I’ve concurred often, but that hasn’t caught on here...but current technology isn’t there yet. Generation of liquid hydrogen, transportation, storage, delivery, etc will continue to be a huge issue, but that will be overcome once ‘we have to’
Wind generators, solar panels, etc all have crude in it’s food chain big time. Just invisible to most.
Crude is plant or organic based, which is just another form of stored Sun energy that took millions of years to create. We are burning through it in just decades to a century or so.
Wind is Sun based, as our weather is all based on solar heating/cooling to form low/high pressure areas where they push/pull air. Add in our planets rotation, which moves the air.
Nuclear is questionable whether Sun based and have been in many discussions over the decades. Nuclear is the highest density form of potential energy, but has great down sides...or better stated...many more down sides.
All are manageable with the big question...at what cost? On that, time factors that cost.
“Clean energy” or “zero pollution” are more marketing than substantive. Go back into their origins and you will find crude at the source...as we know it today.
Science continues to marvel.
Example is hydrogen. Pure hydrogen used to take more energy to produce than it provides in the form of usable energy....but...that has been chipped at for decades and decades. Current best practice is photonics to split hydrogen and oxygen atoms with claimed 99% or higher efficiency.
Then compressing that now very economical gaseous hydrogen into a liquid then consumes much energy. That is where one of my research teams were working on while in SunLabs
We invented a solid state gas to liquid compressor with no moving parts....except for a one way valve (automotive AC and about $1.99) so it would pump.
But...all that then requires electrical power, but now much into the noise level.
Sizing for what society is accustomed to will be another issue, but solvable. Society will just have to change.
Batteries will become obsolete except for the very small applications. To be replaced by containers holding liquid hydrogen.
The diamond compression to create electricity is of interest, but currently only in the very, very low outage & power ranges. More scientific curiosity in the lab, but that is how most all things start out as...an idea...then a prototype or proof of concept model.
Society will NOT willing move in mass unless catastrophe or mandated by government.
Then everything in the food chain to the final usage or application of power.
EVERYTHING we produce/manufacture/service/etc currently has crude base materials, processes, etc.
The change will need to happen EVERYWHERE at almost the same time. Piece meal won’t cut it an too many 2 steps forward with 3-4 steps backwards. Leading to frustration of society and that will lead to distrust in the ‘new’ processes & products mandated by the government
Current IP for EV’s only a stop gap and is best practices of the moment.
Shinerbock has been saying fuel cell the way to go and I’ve concurred often, but that hasn’t caught on here...but current technology isn’t there yet. Generation of liquid hydrogen, transportation, storage, delivery, etc will continue to be a huge issue, but that will be overcome once ‘we have to’
Wind generators, solar panels, etc all have crude in it’s food chain big time. Just invisible to most.
