I guess electrically powered vehicles are coming but seems to me they are presently only a rich person's toy with present technology. By that I mean, they're only good for around town and short trips and they cost A LOT. So another conventional vehicle is required for real traveling. We only have 1 car (Ford Focus) plus a 30 ft. MH. I also calculated that Chevy's plug-in cost so much that a car like my Focus cost so much less, the difference would buy gas for 7 years. I'm not including hybrids which sort of make sense even though I don't personally like them. I don't see batteries in sight that would enable real travel but maybe there's some secret technology? Apparently Ford is all in for electric. Good luck with that.

The technology is far better than what you realize. Though I don't see electric cars outright replacing gas/diesel even 10 years from now. The more that are in the market however, the lower the prices. The reality is that many of us will end up with electric cars for much of our day to day needs.

From what I have read. Milage can be in the 400mile range on a charge. And recharge in an hour

They argument is always that it won't work for my situation, so they will never work, which is simply a false argument. Use our family for example. Not counting kid's car, we have a van for long distance travel/towing duties and I have a small commuter car to get me back and forth to work. I've had my commuter car for 4 years and in that time period, it hasn't been more than 250 miles from home. The vast majority of its time is in-town. An electric would work fine for this vehicle. When it comes time to replace, I will probably look at them although it probably won't happen since I don't spend a ton on cars because, well, they are just cars to me so there probably won't be any in my price range. The point is, too many people that seem "opposed" to electric seem to take an all or nothing approach and I don't think it will be that way for many years to come.

Electric vehicles! Great, BUT, when will the electrical grid get upgraded to handle all those all electric vehicles? Where is all this electricity going to come from??? Citing a new electric power plant is next to impossible, takes years to get permits, not to mention building the physical plant. So again, where is all this power going to come from?

You are right, at this point in time an EV is best in a two vehicle household. I've been daily driving EV's for 7 years, but We've always owned a gas car for longer trips too. With a wife and two teenagers, we've got a few cars anyway.I drive around 35 miles/day. With a 9kW grid tied solar array on my house, I'm sitting pretty with no gas and low PG&E costs. But of course I paid $30k to install the solar in 2016 so... you're not wrong about the price point of it all. But that's where most technology begins. And at the rate PG&E is increasing their rates, the payoff is getting shorter every year!EV's are getting better, and several hundred miles of range is attainable today, but the discussion of EV's in relation to tow vehicles is generally speaking not going to go well, especially around here lol.

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fj12ryder
Explorer III
Feb 06, 2019
Bedlam wrote:
I wonder if this idea will morph into an RV?

https://www.geek.com/tech/watch-is-this-robotic-hotel-room-on-wheels-the-future-of-travel-1763449/
Sure looks like it. Due to arrive the day after you get your own personal flying car. :)
Bedlam
Moderator
Feb 06, 2019
I wonder if this idea will morph into an RV?

https://www.geek.com/tech/watch-is-this-robotic-hotel-room-on-wheels-the-future-of-travel-1763449/
pianotuna
Nomad III
Feb 01, 2019
All electric van :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMeqMmERtL0&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0My5PJismDadCC-tuS6_8Cmhl4iRUqpa9yNn6ssxT83Pd9KPziU5Hshqk
pianotuna
Nomad III
Feb 01, 2019
Hi,

There is road tax on propane and natural gas at regular gas stations where I live. It annoys me as I have a fixed tank--but not enough to go to the propane company.

stevemorris wrote:
just wait till they start putting fuel/road taxes on the electric cars
same with propane and natural gas
viable fuels sure, but the prices are artificially low because of lower taxes on them
stevemorris
Explorer
Feb 01, 2019
just wait till they start putting fuel/road taxes on the electric cars
same with propane and natural gas
viable fuels sure, but the prices are artificially low because of lower taxes on them
NJRVer
Explorer
Jan 31, 2019
pianotuna wrote:
Electric is going in other places, too!

https://electrek.co/2019/01/29/caterpillar-electric-excavator-giant-battery-pack/?fbclid=IwAR3mLpDzqgAILoe00unzernI7-vSpZA6PJhUZZ_pfgbYzTVIH_mbjEIqayc

The Tesla semi may be closer than a lot of people think.

www.rhinotimes.com/news/dont-tell-anyone-but-electric-buses-will-be-here-next-week/
Bedlam
Moderator
Jan 30, 2019
The separated carbon from the fuel burn reacts with the oxygen in the air resulting in about 20 lbs of CO2 per gallon of gasoline.
time2roll
Nomad
Jan 30, 2019
I believe Octane is C8-H18

Molecular mass of C = 12, H = 1, O = 16, Octane 114

Carbon mass is 84.2% so 9 tons = 7.58 tons carbon.

Then you need twice the Oxygen but it weighs 16 so about 20 tons of Oxygen.

Yea I come up with only 28 tons. I assume gasoline is made up of not pure octane but also contains some heavier carbons that get you to the 30 tons CO2.

Was anyone awake in chemistry?
tommyznr
Explorer
Jan 30, 2019
mich800 wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
Jayco-noslide wrote:
Back to that post about an EV superior to the new Corolla. Lets compare costs. The Corolla around $20 to 22 K, maybe 17 or less for a nice used one in a couple of years. I paid 17 for my Focus last April. Any EV I know about; starting close to 30K and much more for some. The $8000 price difference would buy around 3000 gallons or 90000 miles in the Corolla. And I could jump in it and drive cross country with no worry about range. And I bet the exhaust is pretty darn clean.

Today's cars have pretty clean exhausts when it comes to toxic emissions but I think the point is burning 3000 gallons of gas puts 30 tons of CO2 into the atmosphere.

It's the dinosaurs revenge for man killing them and creating the ice age.

How do you turn 9 tons of gasoline into 30 tons of CO2?
pianotuna
Nomad III
Jan 30, 2019
Know anyone who drives a gasoline powered car and gets 80 MPG?

https://blog.ucsusa.org/dave-reichmuth/new-data-show-electric-vehicles-continue-to-get-cleaner

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