Another recall

Amazing how a simple post to alert about a recall turns quickly into brand war. :S

shepstone wrote:

Me Again wrote:
Dodgeboy, the Blue Oval Koo-Aid King explained it the other day, saying that he once purchased a used 06 RAM 6 speed manual really cheap and had a lot of problems with everything but the tranny. Well if he found a 06 manual really cheap, it must have been beat on, as they sell for a lot more than the 48RE trucks.

Nothing really adds up with him other than pouncing on RAM any chance he gets, while ignoring any Ford warts! You kind of have to hand it to Ford that they have keep some many loyal fans despite the 6.0, 6.4 and now 6.7 problems.

Chris

I am afraid all brands have warts. I have been through all the big three several times over, there are some you just don't want to own again. After the third of one particular brand I just couldn't take it any more, but there are plenty of owners who have had the same with the other 2 brands, and I don't blame them one bit for not wanting one of them as well and venting their frustration over it.

Talking about "Brand Loyalty" could it be that those loyalists are keeping one brand at the top because, they're trying to buy/find one that actually works and drives as advertised?... "military grade" :B:W:p

I'm just having fun... agree with you. :B

Me Again wrote:
Dodgeboy, the Blue Oval Koo-Aid King explained it the other day, saying that he once purchased a used 06 RAM 6 speed manual really cheap and had a lot of problems with everything but the tranny. Well if he found a 06 manual really cheap, it must have been beat on, as they sell for a lot more than the 48RE trucks.

Nothing really adds up with him other than pouncing on RAM any chance he gets, while ignoring any Ford warts! You kind of have to hand it to Ford that they have keep some many loyal fans despite the 6.0, 6.4 and now 6.7 problems.

Chris

I am afraid all brands have warts. I have been through all the big three several times over, there are some you just don't want to own again. After the third of one particular brand I just couldn't take it any more, but there are plenty of owners who have had the same with the other 2 brands, and I don't blame them one bit for not wanting one of them as well and venting their frustration over it.

Bought the GM 5.7 diesel in 1979. Yikes, not good. Bought the 6.2 after they told me they had all the bugs worked out. Except for the bad heads that cracked between the valves, injector pump that failed and transmission that failed twice, and the wipers that would turn on by themselves, ac compressor failed - all by 80,000 miles.
I bought a new '88 Ford p/u with a 460 that the dipstick didn't seem right. They had not tightened a spindle nut on the front axle, had a nice rattle over speed bumps.I took it back and asked them to verify proper dipstick and they said it was correct. 5 years later at another dealer I mentioned the dipstick issue (I always used the correct amount of oil and mentally adjusted for oil use) they looked at the dipstick and said it was the wrong one. Had to buy another , but then was correct when changing oil. Of course I also complained of the truck using a quart of oil every 500-600 miles with 60,000 miles on it. The dealer says "Oh we have a service bulletin for that - Ford says it is normal to use a quart as low as every 250 miles".
Pick one and keep your fingers crossed.

Ford has slipped a bunch in my eyes, especially after two weeks ago. My 3.5 ecoboost threw a code and went into limp mode. It was a worn cam chain (only 70K miles...), and they had a service bulletin out on it. The SB specifically states that it was covered under the emissions warranty, which is 8/80K. Dealer ran it thru OASIS, warranty coverage denied. They wanted $2500+ to repair it. I told them I'd take it to a Chevy dealer and trade it first. My salesman overheard this conversation, took it to the dealership owner, and we struck a deal. It will only cost me $800 to get it fixed, and its in the shop now. It shouldn't cost me anything, according to their service bulletin.

This is the 3rd time Ford has denied warranty coverage on items that should have been covered. One was a $1400 repair for a 6.0 F250 for a bad FICM, which should be covered under the 5/60K drivetrain warranty. Ford denied it because I live in a county that does not have EPA emissions checks. If I lived in Cleveland or somewhere EPA mandates emissions checks, it would be covered, so says the dealer (different dealer than above). I think the dealer was blowing smoke up my tailpipe on that one.

All of the truck manufacturers are necessary evils, just pick the one that you think will screw you the least.

Dodgeboy, the Blue Oval Koo-Aid King explained it the other day, saying that he once purchased a used 06 RAM 6 speed manual really cheap and had a lot of problems with everything but the tranny. Well if he found a 06 manual really cheap, it must have been beat on, as they sell for a lot more than the 48RE trucks.

Nothing really adds up with him other than pouncing on RAM any chance he gets, while ignoring any Ford warts! You kind of have to hand it to Ford that they have keep some many loyal fans despite the 6.0, 6.4 and now 6.7 problems.

Chris

shepstone wrote:
Who pays for the recall if the defect is the fault of the supplier?

The vendor is back charged for the all of the cost of the recall. This includes any fines levied and suits brought by the consumer. This can quickly close even the largest vendor.

The vendor has to pay for all inspection costs for sorts if defective parts are found during manufacturing. The thing I find funny is if Ford has a recall our resident Blue Oval Kool-Aid King thinks it is no big deal. But let it be anything FCA and the world is coming to an end LMAO.

There are hundreds of thousands of parts and any one of them can fail. When a recall is needed be it voluntary or ordered the vendor that supplied that part will now need to supply the parts for assembly (if a currant model) service parts and now recall parts. This can be very hard to do if it is a hot seller.

Recalls are not a big deal and all manufactures have them. Back when warranties were 12/12 bumper to bumper the customer was on the hook. With the currant warranty coverage we now have recalls on parts that we never used to. Note, a safety recall can happen no matter the year of manufacture, ask GM and their brake line recalls.

The Takata Corp. airbag recalls are a perfect example of a supplier that can not provide the parts needed for all the recalls it has. Who gets the black eye? The car manufactures do and they also are getting hammered by the clowns at NHTSA yet they suspended the fines that were levied against them? But their problems are not of yet, there may be a $300 million in regulatory fines.

Don

FishOnOne wrote:
Wow.... No wonder why Macorroni has been quite with the GM take over. :R

Diaz, Bigland, Hegbloom, who's driving the ship? Who's next?

Quality Control is the name of the game even if you have to perform production monitoring of your suppliers.

Yep, and Ford just got an overall low rating for their products. Even the king of the hill Honda had their crown slip a bit down the scale.

FishOnOne wrote:

DirtyOil wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
Wow.... No wonder why Macorroni has been quite with the GM take over. :R

Diaz, Bigland, Hegbloom, who's driving the ship? Who's next?

Quality Control is the name of the game even if you have to perform production monitoring of your suppliers.

Ford doesn't do recalls....












Ford lets their owners find the problems and tell them... "its gonna cost ya this much to fix it...$$$" 6.0l, 6.4, ad 6.7l... :B

LOL....:B



05 6.0 PSD 7 years 170k miles. A couple of oil leaks and a EGR valve, and a EGR valve clean, Inductive heat flash update
12 6.7 PSD 3.5 years 79k miles. A emission recall requiring a PCM reflash. Changed wiper blades on Friday.

Yup and in the mid 70's Ford was fined $7 million for cheating on emissions. Ford isn't immune... :B

FlatBroke wrote:

joe b. wrote:
I keep getting letters from GMC on my 2011 Chevy Dmax 3500. Not recalls but notices that I MAY have a problem, more like a service bulletin. They tell me not to take the truck to the dealer unless I have the mentioned problem. Each time they extend my warranty out to ten years or 100,000 miles on that item. Must have 6 or 8 of these letters stuffed in my glove box now. Got one last week on a potential exhaust leak

Was told by a dealer the 2011 was the worst year for problems, I think mostly emissions related. Good luck.

The GM trucks were having serious DEF problems so bad that they literally were given a free pass from the EPA until they could figure out their DEF problem which would put the truck into a limited speed mode. Pizzed off a lot good folks too!