Buyer beware

jimh425 wrote:


If I would have been worried about resale, I wouldn’t have bought an RV.

Isn't that the truth.

I've only had two campers.

The first one was junk because the previous owner didn't take care of it.

My present camper, my second one is 25 years old and in extremely good condition because the previous owner did take care of it.

jimh425 wrote:
. . . As previously noted, my TC was built in 2005. 15 years old with nothing wrong with it. Also as previously noted, there are Northern Lites and Bigfoots that had significant issues that were way younger than that . . .

Any camper can have significant issues. However, the most serious issues will typically be structural. The OP's video link described how the underlying wood supports for each corner jack had seriously degraded---to the point there the camper was seriously unstable while supported by the jacks. Can't speak for older NL campers (or BF), but the later model NL's attach the jack to aluminum brackets which are directly attached to the side and bottom of the fiberglass shell. No organic materials are used in these important assemblies so there's little to no chance of experiencing the most serious structural issues noted in the video. I would venture to say this is probably a major reason why NL offers a 6-year structural warranty on their campers (for the original owner).

The question I have is, would the existing TC market be willing to pay 1.5 to 2 times as much for a better built unit? My assessment of the situation is, no, by and large they would not.

Better built campers have come and gone. Gonna come in and set the industry on its ear. What happened? "Too expensive."

Until the buying market is willing to put its money where its mouth is, and more of it, you will continue to get more of the same.

Kayteg1 wrote:
A note about Simpson brackets.
I used couple of them on my Lance repair 3 years ago. Now parting the camper I removed them for demolition. They had cracks in the corners. They did not give up yet, but looks like it would be only matter of time.
Looks to me that they are not design for flexing TC do.

I am able to inspect the brackets on my truck camper and all are in perfect condition. No surface rust, cracking or anything else visible.

A note about Simpson brackets.
I used couple of them on my Lance repair 3 years ago. Now parting the camper I removed them for demolition. They had cracks in the corners. They did not give up yet, but looks like it would be only matter of time.
Looks to me that they are not design for flexing TC do.

The video makes me think of Sleepy's Rig when it was driven by SAB Consulting cross country to Tacoma for a make over. I recall some people in the past had issues with their slides, installing either steel unistrut or 1-1/2x2 angle under the slides to deal with bowing down. This looked like a decent job within a budget and reason to make a sturdy TC again.

I watched most of it. I FF past parts I'm not needing to see. Having a 2000 S&S wood frame TC myself with probable similar issues, it was interesting to me. I have already made some similar repairs to the front but not the rear yet.








Black square at bottom of jack bracket is an awning bracket.


I Made a bottom support using a Simpson framing bracket bolting into the underside of the 2x3 on the bottom of the TC wall. Not perfect but much more stable. It supports from the bottom and holds toward the inside of the TC under the wing beneath the fridge.
I have to do similar work to the right rear where there was a window leak that refused to be fixed until I installed a drip edge over the window. Problem solved.

I did repairs on campers before, but this year I parted out 2001 Lance 1161.
Camper was in relatively good condition, but with faded exterior and I used interior in my small bus conversion.
So the "stapled toothpicks" frame is having amazing strength when you glue plywood on both sides. Even styrofoam sandwiched in floor and roof adds quite a bit to integrity.
The 99% issues are triggered by leaks. Single sheet roof helps, but not when you "forget" to seal awning trims.
Even I inspected and sealed all holes that would make camper windy, during demolition I found more big holes for holding tanks plumbing that would allow not only wind, but also critters to enter.
I also collected about 1/2 gallon of factory sawdust & other construction debris.

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jimh425 wrote:
Of course, if you can get by with less, you could buy a camper shell and camp in it, too.

Funny you mention that,I did that quite a bit..One of those shells that is like 8-10" above the cab..Bed across the front on plywood with the storage under and camp stove/chair etc in the rear...Pretty popular years back..

I want one now for when I take the TC off but I can't find one that is reasonably priced..They are very hard to find..

Weird, had an 05 TC, now have an 03. Neither is even remotely "falling apart."

Seems most bad experiences on this website have the Lance name associated with them. Just an observation, never had a lance.

This thread is typical rvnet complaining.
And as sidecar said, TCs, not unlike other RVs, do sustain more wear and tear and issues if they are exposed to the elements year round or lived in. Makes sense. They're called campers, not houses.

Of course, if you can get by with less, you could buy a camper shell and camp in it, too.

The reality is the only thing a nonslide TC has in common with a modern multislide TC is they both are carried in a pickup. As previously noted, my TC was built in 2005. 15 years old with nothing wrong with it. Also as previously noted, there are Northern Lites and Bigfoots that had significant issues that were way younger than that. I think most people with issues are hard on stuff or don’t maintain their TCs, or both.

If I would have been worried about resale, I wouldn’t have bought an RV.