Coachmen Freedom Express 246RKS

mikakuja wrote:

SoundGuy wrote:

mikakuja wrote:
What impressed me most was that Coachmen is that unlike most other FG walled trailers they use Azdel in their walls. Azdel is not wood based and won't take on water which leads to delamination...

An overstatement of fact that I'm sure Coachmen would love to have you believe and to propagate. :R In point of fact only the sidewalls are Azdel, the end panels are luan laminated with fiberglass. I have before me on my phone a pic I took at my local Coachmen dealer - brand new Apex on which the entire rear wall had been removed because sealant had failed, the wall became soaked and delaminated, and was being replaced with a new wall. Hate to say it but all the studs are wood with fiberglass batting for insulation between the studs - entirely conventional stick construction. My Coachmen Freedom Express wouldn't be any different. ;)

The OP was looking at a Freedom Express, not an Apex, the two are actually quite different. Can't speak for the Apex but the Freedom express is aluminum cage construction, not wood (at lest in the 16/17 models).. And beside that, any trailer or RV can leak (Coachmen included) and cause damage, which was not the point of the thread or my comments.

Set aside from the fact that you are just biased against everything and very seldom have anything positive to say, I am voicing my opinion, you don't have to agree. So how about offering the OP some useful advise instead of picking apart comments and trolling for arguments.

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It does get a bit old after a while doesn't it.

We have a 2016 coachman freedom express 28SE and we love the layout of it. The freedom express line is all very nice and we would recommend it to anybody. This is the 3rd coachman travel trailer we have owned and have always had good dealing and are satisfied with their products.

Flatfoot-Rogue wrote:
If one wants to complain start your own thread.

Who's complaining? Merely stating a fact. :p

mikakuja wrote:
The OP was looking at a Freedom Express, not an Apex, the two are actually quite different.

Actually that's not the case at all, at the time that wall was pulled off the Apex I asked the tech about my own Freedom Express and was told it was exactly the same. Freedom Express and Apex lines are built side by side in the same manufacturing facility, and are not unlike a Chevy Silverado and GM Sierra - slightly different appearance from the outside but much the same inside. Regardless, my comment stands - Azdel is only used in the sidewalls of a Freedom Express trailer, not the end walls.

SoundGuy wrote:

mikakuja wrote:
What impressed me most was that Coachmen is that unlike most other FG walled trailers they use Azdel in their walls. Azdel is not wood based and won't take on water which leads to delamination...

An overstatement of fact that I'm sure Coachmen would love to have you believe and to propagate. :R In point of fact only the sidewalls are Azdel, the end panels are luan laminated with fiberglass. I have before me on my phone a pic I took at my local Coachmen dealer - brand new Apex on which the entire rear wall had been removed because sealant had failed, the wall became soaked and delaminated, and was being replaced with a new wall. Hate to say it but all the studs are wood with fiberglass batting for insulation between the studs - entirely conventional stick construction. My Coachmen Freedom Express wouldn't be any different. ;)

Coachman Freedom Express is not even in the same class or category as an Apex trailer. As for the freedom Express 246RKS it is constructed completely different than the apex. NO WOOD IN EXTERIOR WALLS ie: Alumicage Welded Aluminum Structure, Vacuum Bonded Floor and Sidewalls, Azdel Composite (IPO luan behind fiberglass). This product uses Azdel Composite Sidewalls and luan fiberglass over aluminum endwalls. As far as I can tell The front Endcap is resin on the 2017. This manufacturing process is new to the 2016/17 line-up and has not been adopted by very many brands yet. The construction of a 2014 Coachmen Freedom Express 192RBS is in no way the same as the construction of the trailer that the OP was asking about. Coachman seems to be trying new construction practices and materials to help alleviate leaking problems in the future. I wish people would stay on topic and try to post constructive advise for the OP. If one wants to complain start your own thread.

SoundGuy wrote:

mikakuja wrote:
What impressed me most was that Coachmen is that unlike most other FG walled trailers they use Azdel in their walls. Azdel is not wood based and won't take on water which leads to delamination...

An overstatement of fact that I'm sure Coachmen would love to have you believe and to propagate. :R In point of fact only the sidewalls are Azdel, the end panels are luan laminated with fiberglass. I have before me on my phone a pic I took at my local Coachmen dealer - brand new Apex on which the entire rear wall had been removed because sealant had failed, the wall became soaked and delaminated, and was being replaced with a new wall. Hate to say it but all the studs are wood with fiberglass batting for insulation between the studs - entirely conventional stick construction. My Coachmen Freedom Express wouldn't be any different. ;)

The OP was looking at a Freedom Express, not an Apex, the two are actually quite different. Can't speak for the Apex but the Freedom express is aluminum cage construction, not wood (at lest in the 16/17 models).. And beside that, any trailer or RV can leak (Coachmen included) and cause damage, which was not the point of the thread or my comments.

Set aside from the fact that you are just biased against everything and very seldom have anything positive to say, I am voicing my opinion, you don't have to agree. So how about offering the OP some useful advise instead of picking apart comments and trolling for arguments.

Well the Coachmen didn't work out. There was evidence inside of leaks, and a good deal of delamination under the cab-over and other spots. Also found out that not all Class A's require a license endorsement. The smaller ones are under 26K lbs GCVR. So we're currently checking out an early 2000's Fleetwood Flair 30H with the GM Workhorse. Headers and an exhaust change and the owner says he gets 8.38 mpg. Any opinions or advice on this MH or the Workhorse setup? I'm more familiar with the Ford V10. I know the towing capacity is lower (5,000 lbs vs 3500), but I only expect to tow a small trailer with my bike.

I'm looking for motorhomes from private owners rather than dealers. I don't like salesmen. Besides there being more room for negotiation, it allows me to speak directly with the person who has the experience with the vehicle. I'll pay less, he'll make more, and I'll know a lot more about what I'm buying.

mikakuja wrote:
What impressed me most was that Coachmen is that unlike most other FG walled trailers they use Azdel in their walls. Azdel is not wood based and won't take on water which leads to delamination...

An overstatement of fact that I'm sure Coachmen would love to have you believe and to propagate. :R In point of fact only the sidewalls are Azdel, the end panels are luan laminated with fiberglass. I have before me on my phone a pic I took at my local Coachmen dealer - brand new Apex on which the entire rear wall had been removed because sealant had failed, the wall became soaked and delaminated, and was being replaced with a new wall. Hate to say it but all the studs are wood with fiberglass batting for insulation between the studs - entirely conventional stick construction. My Coachmen Freedom Express wouldn't be any different. ;)

Overall I was impressed by the fit and finish of the Freedom Express series trailers. Yes, like all other there are quality control issues, but for the most part they seem to be above the average, IMO. There are lemons from every manufacturer. What impressed me most was that Coachmen is that unlike most other FG walled trailers they use Azdel in their walls. Azdel is not wood based and won't take on water which leads to delamination... Do your own research and draw your own conclusions on this..

Keep in mind that Coachmen uses the same suppliers as the majority of the industry. So problems related to components such as LCI or whatever appliances or electronics that happen to be in the trailer are going to be the same as pretty much any other manufacturer. IMO you should pay close attention to construction details, fit and finish etc. Some manufactures pay attention to details and just stand out over the others. Don't let the salesmen rush you through the units, take your time and really inspect the units carefully.

NYCAP wrote:
I spent 30 years as a yacht captain,and I spent all that time wondering what would break or go wrong next. Didn't matter if the owner spent 30K or 3 million. From what I've read it's obvious why they call RVs "Land Yachts". One thing I learned is to never buy new. The first owner gets the new boat bugs and pays to straighten them out, plus he pays the broker's profit.

So now I've retired, and know better than to buy a boat, but I've still got the travel itch. I figure that with RVs at least I don't have to worry about rough seas, breaking lose of a mooring or sinking. Also I like that the name doesn't stand for (B)reak (O)ut (A)nother (T)housand. Or am I wrong about that?

I'm searching for my first RV. I figure to come in fairly cheap to limit my downside while I learn what the life is about. This is pretty broad, but I'd appreciate any advice or wisdom anyone cares to pass on. Having acted as a buyer's rep on several boat deal I tend to not be impressed by the glitz easily, and look for the rust instead. So I intend to check it out like a surveyor to the best of my ability, and then have a professional check it out also.

I'm about to check out a Coachmen Leprechaun 317KS (a class C), about 12 years old, with the V-10. On another blog I read a lot of people dissing Coachmen, but then on checked out Winnebago and a few other makes, and found people dissing them as well (for many of the same problems). From that I gather that RVS like boats break and leak, and people tend to write stuff more when they have problems than when they're happy. Coachmen has been around since 1964. So they can't be too horrible. Plus my friend owns a smaller one and is happy. So I'm wondering if anyone has experience with this model? How's it's power? Can it pull a small trailer with a motorcycle uphill (like upstate NY)? Any systemic problems?

Thanks in advance for any advice and sharing any knowledge your experience has gained you.

P.S. I take it Good Sam's is a good organization to join?

Easy answers first GS gets nice discounts at decent to very good parks,it also assures you of mail.
I haven't been able to ween from the cruiser addiction so we have that as well as the camper. My wife and I regularly revisit the question of TV + camper vs class a+toad. To date we continue to favor TV+ to keep some simplicity in our lives.
Count up tires, engines, batteries, heads, etc. And the maintenance comissioning/decommissioning I figure that since the tv is my DD we will trailer. BTW our trailer was old when we bought it for some of the reason's you cited, our cruiser is also older, a 1968 35 CC Commander.
Good luck Tim