CR ratings

45Ricochet wrote:

NC Hauler wrote:
Rick, Fox:B

LOL you mean the retired Laker :B His wife was a Fox also :W

Hey, that was a good one...Rick Fox..nope, I meant; Rick, I watch Fox...oops, now I'm in trouble aren't I:)

and yeah..........she was a Fox in both way's:)

NC Hauler wrote:
Rick, Fox:B

LOL you mean the retired Laker :B His wife was a Fox also :W

Rick, Fox:B

This is ALMOST sounding political, which one do you get your affiliation from FOX news or NBC :B There I said it and sticking by it. Do we boycott products that run ad's on either station, no cause the exact same ad run's on both stations :B
CR, JD, and all the rest of em have some kind of bias or they wouldn't be in business.
I looked up who owns Kelly Blue Book a couple of weeks ago, it was COX Communications!!!! in the ATL area, go figure. Before I got to Cox it was Auto-trader who is owned by Cox.
Yeah no bias there I bet.
Like others have stated, take them all with a grain of salt as they are a business looking to make some cash. Myself I look at the awards from the top magazine's although you never know who bought who there either.
I'll just ask the DW which one she want's next time.... right :W

mich800 wrote:
I think you missed my point or I did not present it clearly. Your method is the same as mine. But if I/we use that judgement but it does not conform with the consensus here it is somehow flawed. We all make rational decisions as consumers and arrive at our decisions based on our own personal experiences and research methods.

My point was if we purchase a certain brand vehicle despite the approval of some on this board we are considered cool aid drinkers.

Ouch...my bad...yes I did misunderstand...BUT, you are correct, but I figure, "WE" don't care what they think:)

I think you missed my point or I did not present it clearly. Your method is the same as mine. But if I/we use that judgement but it does not conform with the consensus here it is somehow flawed. We all make rational decisions as consumers and arrive at our decisions based on our own personal experiences and research methods.

My point was if we purchase a certain brand vehicle despite the approval of some on this board we are considered cool aid drinkers.

Yep everyone here loves to call me the number one Ram Fan Boy.
But fact is I owned Fords long before I owned Chrysler products. Ford built an inferior vehicle and had/has the worst dealer network here in NW Ohio SE Mich bar none, so I moved on.

All vehicles are going to break down sooner or later, it's how the dealer handles the service after the sale that will decide if a customer returns. Not only to the dealer but also the manufacturer they represent.

By asking friends and family what they think I can avoid any deception on the part a non objective magazine. And sorry but that does not make me a cool aid drinker.

Don

mich800 wrote:

NC Hauler wrote:

otrfun wrote:
CR is just a tool--one of many. I say use (or not use) whatever tool(s) you need to help make your version of an informed decision.

Curious though. For those that don't put much faith in CR, where do you recommend people look to get good, accurate vehicle testing info?

Friends? Family? Search on the internet? From life's experiences? How did people do it before there ever was such a thing as a review written on anything? When one purchased a car or truck or appliances back in the 60's, even early 70's, you went by what others had told you, or maybe even went by an advertisement one had seen on TV...Now in today's media, everyone has an opinion and a lot of times JD Powers doesn't necessarily match up with CR...so, does one use their own mind and decide on their own? Or go by what a magazine states "is the best" to get? What happened to experience and common sense?

when one joined the military, did they read about it? use someone else's opinion?...how about getting married? Was their a "rating" out there by CR or JD Powers on longevity or maintenance, what kind of career to go into? How to raise kids. Don't recollect my parents reading ANY of those books..they did very well themselves and by three kids..



We're dumbed down to the point we're supposed to believe everything we read, and make sure we go by what something say's? Been married almost 44 years, glad I didn't believe all I read about being married and 50% ending in divorce and everything else I've read "for fact"...especially all the miracles that certain pills will help people do now a day's.....on occasion, one has to use their OWN mind to make a decision with and use a gift most have, but is rarely used today....common sense.

But if you use your method here you are drinking the cool aid (insert any brand here). This is a "no empirical evidence in your social circles is allowed" zone.

Don't drink Kool Aid, of any brand...owned Chevy trucks for as long as I can remember until June of 2010 when I purchased my first dodge 3500 crew cab dually long bed truck...From everything I read, I shouldn't have done it....OOP'S...forgot the Kool Aid...bought the 2010, then a 2012, now the 2013....BAD STUFF!!!!! should have went with a Ford or a Chevy from all the reading I've done....Kool Aid? nah....just plain old water, and again, some of the common sense that God blessed me with that I never stopped using..it'll be a "live and learn" on my own part...no one to blame but me "IF"......

oh...I have no social circle......

NC Hauler wrote:

otrfun wrote:
CR is just a tool--one of many. I say use (or not use) whatever tool(s) you need to help make your version of an informed decision.

Curious though. For those that don't put much faith in CR, where do you recommend people look to get good, accurate vehicle testing info?

Friends? Family? Search on the internet? From life's experiences? How did people do it before there ever was such a thing as a review written on anything? When one purchased a car or truck or appliances back in the 60's, even early 70's, you went by what others had told you, or maybe even went by an advertisement one had seen on TV...Now in today's media, everyone has an opinion and a lot of times JD Powers doesn't necessarily match up with CR...so, does one use their own mind and decide on their own? Or go by what a magazine states "is the best" to get? What happened to experience and common sense?

when one joined the military, did they read about it? use someone else's opinion?...how about getting married? Was their a "rating" out there by CR or JD Powers on longevity or maintenance, what kind of career to go into? How to raise kids. Don't recollect my parents reading ANY of those books..they did very well themselves and by three kids..



We're dumbed down to the point we're supposed to believe everything we read, and make sure we go by what something say's? Been married almost 44 years, glad I didn't believe all I read about being married and 50% ending in divorce and everything else I've read "for fact"...especially all the miracles that certain pills will help people do now a day's.....on occasion, one has to use their OWN mind to make a decision with and use a gift most have, but is rarely used today....common sense.

But if you use your method here you are drinking the cool aid (insert any brand here). This is a "no empirical evidence in your social circles is allowed" zone.

Their testing method is statistically flawed.

Their survey of auto reliability goes out to their subscribers!

Not a random sample - if CR rates my Toyota high - then I like the magazine and subscribe - get it - it is self perpetuating.