Creative Towing

Really? So let me get this straight. You have spoken with every person in Australia that is currently towing with a class 8 and used to tow with one of our class 3 trucks? How many did you speak to? Not saying that a class 3 truck is more stable and all, but seeing that there are hardly any US class 3 trucks over there as you say, I would doubt you have spoken with any of them that used to have one and now traded up to a class 8 to be able to give you a comparison of both in regards to all aspects of RV towing and camping

Haa nothing to do with how people think, it is ILLEGAL to tow with them here. Toterhome people are agreement with our regulators here

RobertRyan wrote:
Never said it was impossible to tow them using Class 3 Pickups, but people who use Toterhomes to tow 43ft 5th Wheelers say they are vastly much more stable, turn better, tow better than a Class 3

Really? So let me get this straight. You have spoken with every person in Australia that is currently towing with a class 8 and used to tow with one of our class 3 trucks? How many did you speak to? Not saying that a class 3 truck is more stable and all, but seeing that there are hardly any US class 3 trucks over there as you say, I would doubt you have spoken with any of them that used to have one and now traded up to a class 8 to be able to give you a comparison of both in regards to all aspects of RV towing and camping.

RobertRyan wrote:
Regulators here would not let you tow a 43ft 5ver with a Class 3

They do here all the time at higher elevations and at higher speeds than over there without any issue.

Shiner Brock wrote:
I never said to use class 3 trucks for toterhomes so I am not sure where you are getting that.


What I did say is that because of our class 3 truck power and capabilities, we do not need class 8 trucks in order to tow the trailer in this picture. That is all. Never said anything about class 3's being used with toterhomes. This is probably a 16k trailer. Maybe 18k at most. Either way, it is well within what our class 3 trucks can handle. If it is 16k, then even some of our class 2b trucks can tow it. 

Never said it was impossible to tow them using Class 3 Pickups, but people who use Toterhomes to tow 43ft 5th Wheelers say they are vastly much more stable, turn better, tow better than a Class 3
Regulators here would not let you tow a 43ft 5ver with a Class 3

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RobertRyan wrote:

Shiner Brock wrote:
And speed on highways is easily met with the kind of motor home that Actros was towing. That was a 16k or maybe and 18k at the most which is well within what our class 3 trucks can easily tow. Maybe that is a lot of when for your midsize pickups(utes), but not for our class 3 pickups. A class 8 truck is simply not needed for that little of weight and would made for a very limiting unloaded daily driver.

How did you bring MidsizePickups into this? ANY Midsize would fail. . People who own Toterhomes do not think the Class 3's would cut the mustard. Regulators here are in agreement, so you cannot use a Class 3 Pickup to tow 43ft 5th Wherlers
As Toterhomes come from the US you can talk to them

I never said to use class 3 trucks for toterhomes so I am not sure where you are getting that.


What I did say is that because of our class 3 truck power and capabilities, we do not need class 8 trucks in order to tow the trailer in this picture. That is all. Never said anything about class 3's being used with toterhomes. This is probably a 16k trailer. Maybe 18k at most. Either way, it is well within what our class 3 trucks can handle. If it is 16k, then even some of our class 2b trucks can tow it.

RobertRyan wrote:
Another you do not see in the US. is this combination what would be a Class 8 Truck in the US

Shiner Brock wrote:
And speed on highways is easily met with the kind of motor home that Actros was towing. That was a 16k or maybe and 18k at the most which is well within what our class 3 trucks can easily tow. Maybe that is a lot of when for your midsize pickups(utes), but not for our class 3 pickups. A class 8 truck is simply not needed for that little of weight and would made for a very limiting unloaded daily driver.

How did you bring MidsizePickups into this? ANY Midsize would fail. . People who own Toterhomes do not think the Class 3's would cut the mustard. Regulators here are in agreement, so you cannot use a Class 3 Pickup to tow 43ft 5th Wherlers
As Toterhomes come from the US you can talk to them

fj12ryder wrote:
Well, I don't know that I've noticed "increasing number of Americans and Canadians are going to Class 8's. or Toterhomes". Maybe, maybe not. Are there hard numbers to back up these statements?

As was mentioned the attraction for these large semis is going to stay pretty small because of the impracticality of them. IMO anyway. What do you do with them when you aren't moving your trailer? Not exactly practical for day-to-day usage. Some will use them, but the numbers will stay small in the US anyway.

Suppose we can get over the Richard measuring now? What works in Australia will work to a limited degree here, and vice versa. That makes neither superior to the other overall, just better in their home market.

I'll have to admit I don't understand the need to prove that the Aussie trucks are better.

Let us go through each point one at a time.
Toterhomes are for people who use these as Mototohomes, they can be registered as a Motorhome in the US not a CDL. They do everything better towing very large 5th Wheelers or Toy Haulers. They use the smart cars as transport in Cities, they had a website but look under Toterhomes in the US and you can find out why they use them.
Australian example is similar to some US tradesmen who carry a TC or Trailer to a jiob He uses the Actros as a work vehicle
I am not talking about Australia ,only when illustrating those heavy tow vehicles as they come from Europe and Japan and are used there for towing and hauling Not RV's in Japan but some RV's in Europe. Your Class 3's do not do the job here, as regards fairly hefty trailers , that is the reason they are not used

I'll have to admit I don't understand the need to prove that the Aussie trucks are better.

People on this site were mocking Trucks and Pickups used outside the US, which to me was pretty stupid as they did not know how they were used and the equivalent US vehicles were rejected because they were not appropriate

RobertRyan wrote:

Shiner Brock wrote:
Again, I never stated that that our class 3 trucks can pull 100 tons nor would I use it to. All I said is that they can tow the RV that the Actros was pulling in the picture. Not only can they tow it, but they can be used as a daily driver as well once you get to your destination which cannot be easily done in a class 8 truck.

Of course we have a fixation with horsepower because it dictates the speed at which we can tow. Since the average speed limits of our highways are higher and we have much higher highway elevations, speed it important when towing. Like I said in another thread, our truck are made for our market.

Lastly, there is nothing saying that the truck in the picture was a 600 hp 16 Actros, and even if it was I stated that our pickup truck engines have more horsepower than the base Actros engine. I never said it had more power than the 16L engine that you claim that truck has.

The Class 3' do not tow, ride, turn, are as stable as well as Class 8's, that is why increasing number of Americans and Canadians are going to Class 8's. or Toterhomes.Generally they use a small Smart Car to get around in towns or tow a Garage behind them. Speed on freeways is easily met by a Class 8 .You do not use base engines to tow anything large or heavy, in a Class 3.neither a Class 8
The Axxor has been introduced as a MDT using the base engines

And speed on highways is easily met with the kind of motor home that Actros was towing. That was a 16k or maybe and 18k at the most which is well within what our class 3 trucks can easily tow. Maybe that is a lot of when for your midsize pickups(utes), but not for our class 3 pickups. A class 8 truck is simply not needed for that little of weight and would made for a very limiting unloaded daily driver.

Well, I don't know that I've noticed "increasing number of Americans and Canadians are going to Class 8's. or Toterhomes". Maybe, maybe not. Are there hard numbers to back up these statements?

As was mentioned the attraction for these large semis is going to stay pretty small because of the impracticality of them. IMO anyway. What do you do with them when you aren't moving your trailer? Not exactly practical for day-to-day usage. Some will use them, but the numbers will stay small in the US anyway.

Suppose we can get over the Richard measuring now? What works in Australia will work to a limited degree here, and vice versa. That makes neither superior to the other overall, just better in their home market.

I'll have to admit I don't understand the need to prove that the Aussie trucks are better.

Shiner Brock wrote:
Again, I never stated that that our class 3 trucks can pull 100 tons nor would I use it to. All I said is that they can tow the RV that the Actros was pulling in the picture. Not only can they tow it, but they can be used as a daily driver as well once you get to your destination which cannot be easily done in a class 8 truck.

Of course we have a fixation with horsepower because it dictates the speed at which we can tow. Since the average speed limits of our highways are higher and we have much higher highway elevations, speed it important when towing. Like I said in another thread, our truck are made for our market.

Lastly, there is nothing saying that the truck in the picture was a 600 hp 16 Actros, and even if it was I stated that our pickup truck engines have more horsepower than the base Actros engine. I never said it had more power than the 16L engine that you claim that truck has.

The Class 3' do not tow, ride, turn, are as stable as well as Class 8's, that is why increasing number of Americans and Canadians are going to Class 8's. or Toterhomes.Generally they use a small Smart Car to get around in towns or tow a Garage behind them. Speed on freeways is easily met by a Class 8 .You do not use base engines to tow anything large or heavy, in a Class 3.neither a Class 8
The Axxor has been introduced as a MDT using the base engines