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free radical wrote:
Seems like Some of these EV haters get their fake news info at Big oil anti ev propaganda sites Lol
Batery recycling
Nothing new with cancer-deniers written by cigarette companies.
Climate change deniers written by "scientist" paid $10,000, (they can come cheap) by Exxon..
Covid denier written by... well, you get the drift.Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
wanderingaimlessly wrote:
I'm sorry you were not taught to reason through that article.
If you were able you would understand that even the article I posted that was promoting recycling Li-ion batteries was lamenting the facts that they ,,,,
Are not recycled in large quanities only 5% of them in the US in 2019
Will see drastic increases in volume due to electric cars starting to age out.
The smelting processes are exremely toxic to the air because all other elements are burned off and Sulphur is often found where cobalt is. (ever hear of acid rain)
Many that are recycled are handled by re smelting the units causing the same emmission problems that they did when first smelted.
Those not smelted are handled by chemicals such as sulfuric acid.
Cobalt, nickel, manganese, and other metals found in batteries can readily leak from the casing of buried batteries and contaminate soil and groundwater,
These are just a few of the problems being created by "clean energy". Something better needs to be found, these are not the answer, no matter how much money Musk and some others make from it.
Now I'm sorrier that it must have a problem in understanding.:E
So let me write slow and ask again to support your premise that the new EV/battery technology is worst than the ICE/petroleeum/oil industry it is displacing.
Seems like Some of these EV haters get their fake news info at Big oil anti ev propaganda sites Lol
Batery recycling
https://www.globaltechenvironmental.com/recycling-services/battery-recycling/li-ion-battery-recycling
https://www.lithionrecycling.com/faq-lithium-ion-baterry-recyclingwanderingaimlessly wrote:
I'm sorry you were not taught to reason through that article.
If you were able you would understand that even the article I posted that was promoting recycling Li-ion batteries was lamenting the facts that they ,,,,
Are not recycled in large quanities only 5% of them in the US in 2019
Will see drastic increases in volume due to electric cars starting to age out.
The smelting processes are exremely toxic to the air because all other elements are burned off and Sulphur is often found where cobalt is. (ever hear of acid rain)
Many that are recycled are handled by re smelting the units causing the same emmission problems that they did when first smelted.
Those not smelted are handled by chemicals such as sulfuric acid.
Cobalt, nickel, manganese, and other metals found in batteries can readily leak from the casing of buried batteries and contaminate soil and groundwater,
These are just a few of the problems being created by "clean energy". Something better needs to be found, these are not the answer, no matter how much money Musk and some others make from it.
Now I'm sorrier that it must have a problem in understanding.:E
So let me write slow and ask again to support your premise that the new EV/battery technology is worst than the ICE/petroleeum/oil industry it is displacing.wanderingaimlessly wrote:
Reisender wrote:
Interesting article re recycling.
https://www.designnews.com/materials/ex-tesla-cto-straubel-recycling-batteries-redwood-materials
Interesting, but really just a promotional article filled with "if's", it also downplayed on current types, but appears they are recycling small consumer types, computers, cell phones and the like. On automobiles it became all "if's" and "we could"
Also, if the photo was of the main facility, it must be using chemical means (acids) to break down the packages, that process loses many of the softer materials and produces it's own waste. It would be nice to see how they handle those materials downstream.
on edit, did some checking from other sources, they are primarily working with phone and portable tool batteries. They are chemically reducing the packages, but don't talk about the chemical waste or downstream handling of by-products.
Well, a journey begins with a single step. EV batteries are hard to come by right now as most are either used in storage projects or put on EBay and harvested. As time goes by they will have more to “play” with. The life cycle of an EV battery entering service now is anywhere from 2 to 3 decades before it needs recycling.wanderingaimlessly wrote:
It's just funny that one group of little green idiots protest the same mineral/mining operations the other little green idiots demand more of.
You cant shut down all of any energy source without screwing up everything else.
And when some zealots are even protesting the very things they were demanding 5 minutes ago, be they nuclear, or petrochemical sources for the plastics they use in everything they use daily, it just puts their stupidity on full display.
And it will be interesting when they admit that the Tesla's and other EV;s are going to be delayed because of the Chinese not releasing enough Lithium and other minerals. Are they going to demand more mining?
Just what color idiot are you, probably just a plain generic common kind of idiot!Reisender wrote:
Interesting article re recycling.
https://www.designnews.com/materials/ex-tesla-cto-straubel-recycling-batteries-redwood-materials
Interesting, but really just a promotional article filled with "if's", it also downplayed on current types, but appears they are recycling small consumer types, computers, cell phones and the like. On automobiles it became all "if's" and "we could"
Also, if the photo was of the main facility, it must be using chemical means (acids) to break down the packages, that process loses many of the softer materials and produces it's own waste. It would be nice to see how they handle those materials downstream.
on edit, did some checking from other sources, they are primarily working with phone and portable tool batteries. They are chemically reducing the packages, but don't talk about the chemical waste or downstream handling of by-products.- Reisender,
Nice find. - Interesting article re recycling.
https://www.designnews.com/materials/ex-tesla-cto-straubel-recycling-batteries-redwood-materials wanderingaimlessly wrote:
I'm sorry you were not taught to reason through issues like that article.
If you were able you would understand that even the article I posted that was promoting recycling Li-ion batteries was lamenting the facts that they ,,,,
Are not recycled in large quanities only 5% of them in the US in 2019
Will see drastic increases in volume due to electric cars starting to age out.
The smelting processes are exremely toxic to the air because all other elements are burned off, and Sulphur is often found where cobalt is. (ever hear of acid rain)
Many that are recycled are handled by re smelting the units causing the same emmission problems that they did when first smelted.
Those not smelted are handled by chemicals such as sulfuric acid. Which then brings another set of disposal problems.
Cobalt, nickel, manganese, and other metals found in batteries can readily leak from the casing of buried batteries and contaminate soil and groundwater,
These are just a few of the problems being created by "clean energy". Something better needs to be found, these are not the answer, no matter how much money Musk and some others make from it.- I'm sorry you were not taught to reason through that article.
If you were able you would understand that even the article I posted that was promoting recycling Li-ion batteries was lamenting the facts that they ,,,,
Are not recycled in large quanities only 5% of them in the US in 2019
Will see drastic increases in volume due to electric cars starting to age out.
The smelting processes are exremely toxic to the air because all other elements are burned off and Sulphur is often found where cobalt is. (ever hear of acid rain)
Many that are recycled are handled by re smelting the units causing the same emmission problems that they did when first smelted.
Those not smelted are handled by chemicals such as sulfuric acid.
Cobalt, nickel, manganese, and other metals found in batteries can readily leak from the casing of buried batteries and contaminate soil and groundwater,
These are just a few of the problems being created by "clean energy". Something better needs to be found, these are not the answer, no matter how much money Musk and some others make from it.
