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wanderingaimlessly wrote:
Have no interest in owning one, but am curious,,,,,,
With the little green idiots getting most rare earth mines shut down, and that resulting in chip shortages in conventional vehicles, how is it expected to play out in the EV market which uses even more of the rare earth minerals, and presumably, a lot more chips to control their "fly by wire" systems?
Seems funny that the press hasn't asked about this, but, they probably have been told not to.
Maybe GM and Ford etc should make their own chips here instead of relying on foreign companies!?
Maybe cars should remain simple as in the past,instead of puting tons of electronic junk in that makes all vehicles much more expensiveSjm9911 wrote:
Reisender wrote:
wanderingaimlessly wrote:
Reis, this is by no means all inclusive, and the main US sources were shut down in the last 10-20 years, but it does cover some of the users and how they would pertain.
rare earth
And our production has fallen to near nothing.
That is an interesting and comprehensive article. Me thinks investors will be investing in companies that can recycle some of this stuff from old electronics.
I’m one of those evil EV drivers. I can tell you right now. As more people test drive these things it will get harder and harder to turn off the transition to EV’s. For many people driving needs they do pretty much everything better than an ICE. If the oil companies don’t find a way to shut down growth real quick there will be no turning off the tap. They’ll have to find another way to come up with the rare earth minerals, or use something else. :). Going to be an interesting decade.
Like hydrogen? Lol. Its hard to say that the car is selling itself through enginuity when most state's are mandating ICE cars and trucks be discontinued in the near future. My fear is that this may lead to other consequences that are unseen, like what to do with all the batteries when they are used up. I can easily see this turning into a bigger environmental hazzard then the ICE vehicals. Im all for green stuff if it works and turns out to atually be green. So far for me , the jury is out on this one. And it has nothing to do with where the volts come from.
Well, presently hydrogen is outrageously priced compared to electricity. Plus you can’t refill at home. People kinda like not going to gas stations or hydrogen stations. Toyota sells a few thousand a year but not much sales growth. Time will tell.
Batteries are already being recycled although the technology is still developing. Right now used batteries are worth a ton on EBay. Tesla is adding recycling facilities to their Shanghai facility next year and German factory the following year.Sjm9911 wrote:
Reisender wrote:
wanderingaimlessly wrote:
Reis, this is by no means all inclusive, and the main US sources were shut down in the last 10-20 years, but it does cover some of the users and how they would pertain.
rare earth
And our production has fallen to near nothing.
That is an interesting and comprehensive article. Me thinks investors will be investing in companies that can recycle some of this stuff from old electronics.
I’m one of those evil EV drivers. I can tell you right now. As more people test drive these things it will get harder and harder to turn off the transition to EV’s. For many people driving needs they do pretty much everything better than an ICE. If the oil companies don’t find a way to shut down growth real quick there will be no turning off the tap. They’ll have to find another way to come up with the rare earth minerals, or use something else. :). Going to be an interesting decade.
Like hydrogen? Lol. Its hard to say that the car is selling itself through enginuity when most state's are mandating ICE cars and trucks be discontinued in the near future. My fear is that this may lead to other consequences that are unseen, like what to do with all the batteries when they are used up. I can easily see this turning into a bigger environmental hazzard then the ICE vehicals. Im all for green stuff if it works and turns out to atually be green. So far for me , the jury is out on this one. And it has nothing to do with where the volts come from.
What hazard, Bateries can be recycled
https://americanmanganeseinc.com/Reisender wrote:
wanderingaimlessly wrote:
Reis, this is by no means all inclusive, and the main US sources were shut down in the last 10-20 years, but it does cover some of the users and how they would pertain.
rare earth
And our production has fallen to near nothing.
That is an interesting and comprehensive article. Me thinks investors will be investing in companies that can recycle some of this stuff from old electronics.
I’m one of those evil EV drivers. I can tell you right now. As more people test drive these things it will get harder and harder to turn off the transition to EV’s. For many people driving needs they do pretty much everything better than an ICE. If the oil companies don’t find a way to shut down growth real quick there will be no turning off the tap. They’ll have to find another way to come up with the rare earth minerals, or use something else. :). Going to be an interesting decade.
Like hydrogen? Lol. Its hard to say that the car is selling itself through enginuity when most state's are mandating ICE cars and trucks be discontinued in the near future. My fear is that this may lead to other consequences that are unseen, like what to do with all the batteries when they are used up. I can easily see this turning into a bigger environmental hazzard then the ICE vehicals. Im all for green stuff if it works and turns out to atually be green. So far for me , the jury is out on this one. And it has nothing to do with where the volts come from.Reisender wrote:
Hmmm. The Cybertruck is only 2 or 3 inches wider than a model S. The length is quite a bit more but I’m not sure the spot has to be that big.
Yep, it's basically the same size as other full size pickups. I remember the first concept art that came out, an artist rendering that showed the Tesla truck with an F150 sitting in its bed. I chuckled, knowing that a pickup that large would not be legal to manufacture... ;)wanderingaimlessly wrote:
It's just funny that one group of little green idiots protest the same mineral/mining operations the other little green idiots demand more of.
You cant shut down all of any energy source without screwing up everything else.
And when some zealots are even protesting the very things they were demanding 5 minutes ago, be they nuclear, or petrochemical sources for the plastics they use in everything they use daily, it just puts their stupidity on full display.
And it will be interesting when they admit that the Tesla's and other EV;s are going to be delayed because of the Chinese not releasing enough Lithium and other minerals. Are they going to demand more mining?
I’m not up on the topic, but it sounds like a vicious circle.- It's just funny that one group of little green idiots protest the same mineral/mining operations the other little green idiots demand more of.
You cant shut down all of any energy source without screwing up everything else.
And when some zealots are even protesting the very things they were demanding 5 minutes ago, be they nuclear, or petrochemical sources for the plastics they use in everything they use daily, it just puts their stupidity on full display.
And it will be interesting when they admit that the Tesla's and other EV;s are going to be delayed because of the Chinese not releasing enough Lithium and other minerals. Are they going to demand more mining? wanderingaimlessly wrote:
Reis, this is by no means all inclusive, and the main US sources were shut down in the last 10-20 years, but it does cover some of the users and how they would pertain.
rare earth
And our production has fallen to near nothing.
That is an interesting and comprehensive article. Me thinks investors will be investing in companies that can recycle some of this stuff from old electronics.
I’m one of those evil EV drivers. I can tell you right now. As more people test drive these things it will get harder and harder to turn off the transition to EV’s. For many people driving needs they do pretty much everything better than an ICE. If the oil companies don’t find a way to shut down growth real quick there will be no turning off the tap. They’ll have to find another way to come up with the rare earth minerals, or use something else. :). Going to be an interesting decade.- Reis, this is by no means all inclusive, and the main US sources were shut down in the last 10-20 years, but it does cover some of the users and how they would pertain.
rare earth
And our production has fallen to near nothing. wanderingaimlessly wrote:
Have no interest in owning one, but am curious,,,,,,
With the little green idiots getting most rare earth mines shut down, and that resulting in chip shortages in conventional vehicles, how is it expected to play out in the EV market which uses even more of the rare earth minerals, and presumably, a lot more chips to control their "fly by wire" systems?
Seems funny that the press hasn't asked about this, but, they probably have been told not to.
On edit. Found my answer using google.
