The deal I got at Ron Tonkin in Milwaukee Oregon was as good as I could've gotten at Dennis Dillon. I drove about 50 miles from my house. The local dealer was $600 more for a SB and I got a LB. I had to play the trade in game at Tonkin. Not sure what DD does as far as haggling goes. I haggled for about 30 minutes. Would've taken way more time to drive to DD. 7 hrs one way. I think the lure about DD is it's what you se is what you pay. No hidden games. My local dealers don't discount very often, so you have to play the game for a discount.