determining pay load capacity

^^^^picture above... just adding bags would make that much less obvious.

Jerry

Grit dog wrote:
Just look up the specs for trucks like yours 2015 F350 etc.

Here is the 2015 Ford RV and Trailer Towing Guide. Page 10 lists the ratings and while OP doesn't say what cab config she has that door sticker number is not far off from this guide.

Note to the OP, you are correct that weights vary considerably that's based a lot on floor plan. Most of the weight you load will be in the kitchen and fresh water tanks, and the location of those items drives a lot of the weight distribution.

For example a 5er with a front kitchen will see the loaded pin weight go up as you load the kitchen. Conversely a model with a rear kitchen will help you lighten the pin weight as you load up because you are adding weight behind the axles.

When you look at 5ers look at the floorplan and imagine where you will loading most of your stuff. Forward of the axle makes the pin heavier, rear of the axle makes the pin lighter.

In NY, you register non-commercial vehicles based on their empty weight. Non-comm vehicles are also exempt from scale stops. Nobody is checking to see if you weigh less than what you paid for because you don't pay based on loaded weight. You're not getting pulled over unless the officer sees an obviously unsafe condition like this:

Lots of opinions what CADOT will use to determine a overloaded truck. AS we see it certainly not a registered gvw or the mfg gvwr per this paste and copy email from a RV.net member (I don't remember the name) several years back. Its long but this will give the OP facts not rv website fiction about what numbers she can safely/legally use and what numbers are not used if the vehicle is ever stopped and weighed.

***This is in response to your electronic mail dated October 14, 2009.
First, allow me to apologize for the untimely response to your e-mail.
My staff recently received your request and by the date of your e-mail,
it appears to have been lost in the system.
You were requesting information pertaining to state laws limiting the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) and/or gross combined weight rating (GCWR) for fifth wheel and recreational vehicle owners. I have answered each of your questions
in the order asked.

Q: “Many of the owners travel over their tow vehicle GVWR and /or
GCWR. Are there any state laws against this? Or does the owner just
take the risk if they wish?”
A: The California Vehicle Code (CVC) does not contain a law that
specifically limits the amount of weight a vehicle may tow based on the
towing vehicle GVWR or GCWR. There are, however, laws that limit the
amount a vehicle may tow based on other criteria.

Section 21715(b) CVC prohibits a motor vehicle under 4,000 pounds
unladen from towing any vehicle weighing 6,000 pounds or more gross
weight. This section would apply to smaller pickups and Sport Utility
Vehicles attempting to tow large trailers.

Section 1085(d) of Title 13 California Code of Regulations prohibits
the loading of tires above the maximum load rating marked on the tire,
or if unmarked the maximum load rating as specified in the applicable
Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard, or in a publication furnished to
the public by the tire manufacturer. This would most likely happen in
the case of a pickup truck towing a large fifth wheel travel trailer, as
those types of trailers tend to transfer a larger portion of their
weight to the last axle of the towing unit causing that axle to exceed
the tire load limits.

Section 24002(a) CVC prohibits a vehicle or combination of vehicles
which is in an unsafe condition or which is not safely loaded and which
presents an immediate safety hazard from operating on the highway. This
section provides officers the authority to stop a vehicle or combination
of vehicles that is, in the officer’s opinion, unsafe to operate on
the highway. This section could be used to prohibit a driver from
continuing until the unsafe condition is fixed.

Q: “If they were to have an accident would they be cited?”

A: The officer investigating the collision would make the
determination whether to cite the driver based on evidence collected
during the investigation and the determination of the cause of the
collision.

Q: “Would their insurance company pay damages?”

A: Please contact your insurance company to obtain damage claim
information.

I trust this has adequately answered your questions. Should you desire
any further information, please contact Officer Ron Leimer, of my staff,
at (916) 445-1865. Sincerely,
S. B. DOWLING, Captain
Commander
Commercial Vehicle Section" *** (eoq)

Pretty much nails down the last axle/tire of the tow vehicle which in the OPs case is the F350 srw rear axle/tire load ratings will be used for weighing a overloaded vehicle.

JIMNLIN wrote:
LOL...too funny.

:B I mean, we are in the tow vehicles category, I should have known better!

spoone wrote:
Sorry to get in the way of your thread de-railing and unnecessary attitude. It was quite rude on my part.

LOL...too funny.

spoon059 wrote:

JIMNLIN wrote:
I can tell your confused. My state doesn't use a gvwr or gvw or gcw or tonnage or any weight number for registration .
Taxes are paid in the registering state any way so my state just weighs axle/tire load numbers unless its a commercial vehicle.
Like I said your registered gvwr doesn't mean krapz here or other states that don't use a gvw/gvwr.

Now... what my point is some keep saying all a the OP has to do is register at a higher GVWR which of course isn't true for all states.

I understand my confusion now. I'm responding to the OP, who lives in California, where weights are registered. I provided guidance to the OP, who lives in California, where weights are registered. My answer was valid to the OP, who lives in California, where weights are registered.

You, on the other hand, gave an answer that isn't relevant to the OP, who lives in California, where weights are registered. Then you got very snarky because you live in a state that doesn't weigh vehicles, unlike the OP, who lives in California, where weights are registered.

Sorry to get in the way of your thread de-railing and unnecessary attitude. It was quite rude on my part.

OP, I'm sorry for giving you advice based upon your situation in the thread that you started to ask for guidance in your situation, who lives in California, where weights are registered...

Yes, in this case the OP bought an F350 thinking he could get a good sized 5er. With the 10,000# GVWR, if he is stopped and weighed in California and is over 10,000, he gets to leave his trailer on the side of the road, until he can get a big enough TV to be within weight.
They have been caught up in the games Ford plays with GVWR for registration purposes. It sounds like CHP is starting to weigh RV’s and if in excess of GVWR, you must leave the trailer until a TV with sufficient GVWR can be brought to tow it away. There are also monetary fines.

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JIMNLIN wrote:
I can tell your confused. My state doesn't use a gvwr or gvw or gcw or tonnage or any weight number for registration .
Taxes are paid in the registering state any way so my state just weighs axle/tire load numbers unless its a commercial vehicle.
Like I said your registered gvwr doesn't mean krapz here or other states that don't use a gvw/gvwr.

Now... what my point is some keep saying all a the OP has to do is register at a higher GVWR which of course isn't true for all states.

I understand my confusion now. I'm responding to the OP, who lives in California, where weights are registered. I provided guidance to the OP, who lives in California, where weights are registered. My answer was valid to the OP, who lives in California, where weights are registered.

You, on the other hand, gave an answer that isn't relevant to the OP, who lives in California, where weights are registered. Then you got very snarky because you live in a state that doesn't weigh vehicles, unlike the OP, who lives in California, where weights are registered.

Sorry to get in the way of your thread de-railing and unnecessary attitude. It was quite rude on my part.

OP, I'm sorry for giving you advice based upon your situation in the thread that you started to ask for guidance in your situation, who lives in California, where weights are registered...

^ Jimlin, read what you’re writing once the Christmas egg nog wears off.
You’re basically arguing with yourself.
However explain what tire/axle loads your state weighs. Looks like all non com trucks and RVs are lumped in together , not weight specific.
And in a lot of years, a lot of states and even more trucks, I’ve never seen one actually weighed for registration purposes, nor a requirement to do so. Not sure if it happens anywhere but if it did , it wouldn’t serve any purpose.
But this isn’t what the thread is about anyways. OP has a 10klb Cali 1 ton and asked what the payload is and it IS considerably more than the sticker on the door.
So the rest of the silly arguments are just fodder.
No one cares why the registration process is different in Oklahoma compared anywhere else.

spoon wrote:
I'm not sure what you are trying to say in the message I quoted above. It sounds like you are arguing that not all states register a weight. I'm not sure how that is relevant to a state to does register a weight.

I can tell your confused. My state doesn't use a gvwr or gvw or gcw or tonnage or any weight number for registration .
Taxes are paid in the registering state any way so my state just weighs axle/tire load numbers unless its a commercial vehicle.
Like I said your registered gvwr doesn't mean krapz here or other states that don't use a gvw/gvwr.

Now... what my point is some keep saying all a the OP has to do is register at a higher GVWR which of course isn't true for all states.