do folding trailers have a toilet or shower?

popupcamping, I was not thinking of using it as a "shower". It would be nice to rinse off muddy feet or sandals. I would not use it with soap. I understand the rules on gray water.

crosbygroup wrote:

popupcamping wrote:

crosbygroup wrote:
We have an outdoor shower also and use it for rinsing off sandy feet and quick hair washes with biodegradable camping soap.

Whether you use "biodegradable" soap or not it is still illegal to have an outdoor shower. Gray water is gray water.

Biodegradable soaps will still contaminate the water.

Can you link the statue that says using an outdoor shower is grey water and is illegal. This is all that I can find. link

http://www.fs.usda.gov/main/mbr/learning/safety-ethics

I agree "illegal" may not be the correct term but there are many sites talking about bathing and the fact that Biodegradable soap still harms the environment. 200 Feet from ANY water source is the "law".
http://www.backcountryattitude.com/biodegradable_soap.html

BUT it will always be against campground rules.

Or at least I have never seen a CG that allows bathing(gray water) to be dumped on the ground.

popupcamping wrote:

crosbygroup wrote:
We have an outdoor shower also and use it for rinsing off sandy feet and quick hair washes with biodegradable camping soap.

Whether you use "biodegradable" soap or not it is still illegal to have an outdoor shower. Gray water is gray water.

Biodegradable soaps will still contaminate the water.

Can you link the statue that says using an outdoor shower is grey water and is illegal. This is all that I can find. link

crosbygroup wrote:
We have an outdoor shower also and use it for rinsing off sandy feet and quick hair washes with biodegradable camping soap.

Whether you use "biodegradable" soap or not it is still illegal to have an outdoor shower. Gray water is gray water.

Biodegradable soaps will still contaminate the water.

We have both a shower and toilet in the Avalon. We have never needed to use the toilet because we just go to the campground bathroom. We live in California and a lot of our campgrounds do not have showers so we just take a quick shower in the camper. We don't use much water because we turn it on and off when soaping up. The nice hot water sure feels good when you have been hiking all day. We have an outdoor shower also and use it for rinsing off sandy feet and quick hair washes with biodegradable camping soap.

the techwriter wrote:
I agree with Robmoo. Campsite showers are much bigger and better. When we got our PUP, we liked the idea of having a shower, but soon after decided that the camp showers were much more comfortable. The less water inside the camper the better, too. I would probably use my PUP shower if it was outside. I may find a way to convert it to an outdoor shower in the future. We could sure use the extra space inside for storage!

The only problem with your idea is that it is against state and provincial laws to not collect gray water. How are you going to do that with an outside shower?

I,like others would never have or use an inside shower. Wasted space and only looking for more issues than what they are worth. No one ever died from a CG bathhouse. I will set up my porta potty in an outside change house if the bathrooms are not kept up. Having those things inside a pup just take away from valuable storage space IMO.

I also enjoy the fact of not having to winterize my pup as I have never had water hooked up to it. Cant see the point without a gray tank and spilling it into a bucket then carrying that to the bathroom seems silly. It is much easier just to walk to the bathroom to wash and brush instead of carrying the gray water there afterwards.

hounddogboy wrote:


hmmm. the folding trailers i looked up were very little and triangle shaped. here's a link of what i found.

http://www.travelizmo.com/archives/cat_folding_camping_trailers.html?start=15

Didn't look past the first picture?

Now I did say I wouldn't have a camper without a toilet. I didn't say where it was. If I bought another Pop Up, I'd use a large porta potty inside an outside potty/shower tent. I have 3 of them for tent camping. ;)

I would never have another water heater without DSI and that's what Pop ups DON'T HAVE! To much work fighting a pilot flame to get started and stay lit. As others, it's a mess to clean up all the water out of the shower as when you pack, any water will cause mold and mildew!

If I even went to another pop up, it would not have a bathroom, to much darn work and takes up to much space. If you have you kids that you don't want to shower in a bathhouse. Warm up some water, put it in a pan or bucket, and wash them in a shower tent as I stated above.

If you want amenties, as I grew to wanting, a pop up is not for you. It's to much work and hassle packing and unpacking all that, fighting black and grey water since Pop Ups have no waste storage tanks, and fighting cheap and unreliable water heaters. Get a Travel trailer if you want amenties. ;) That's what we did and really enjoyed our trips because the work in having the amenities was gone.:C

Mine did. Wouldn't have a camper without a toilet.

2007 Starcraft 2406:







In bathroom mode:





Had a Shower curtain and a pull across material privacy curtain to section off bathroom area:





In bench mode folded up:

maybe one of these willlinky do