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C_Schomer
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Jan 25, 2016

Down to F or R for a 1T gasser

It looks like Ford and Ram have the best choices for a 1T srw gasser. I think they both have good autos but I don't know much about the engines except the 6.2 and 6.4 owners are both usually very happy. I hope they both have 8' beds.
How big of a problem is the 6.4 NOT being flex fuel? Will ethanol hurt if it's the only fuel available? Does the 6.4 get better mpg having cylinder deactivation? I've read they are both reliable. I know about getting low gears for towing. Please no brand war and I've had many RVs and I know how to size the truck/RV already. I'm already set with a great combination and these questions are for a lady friend whose mostly interested in reliability and mpg. I'll help her with the RV issues. TIA! Craig
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  • MFL's avatar
    MFL
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    Jan 27, 2016
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    justafordguy wrote:
    MFL wrote:
    mudfuel07 wrote:
    With the 6.2 and 4.30's, I see an honest 13-14 mpg not towing. It's a work truck, so it gets used pretty hard. No issues to date with 42k on it. However, I would love to test drive the Ram 6.4 to see how it does. The 6.2 is a little bit of a dog off the line and wants to shift up as quickly as it can, a lot of times I just shift it manually.


    The Ford 6.2 is a bit doggy feeling off the line. The computer contolled throttle won't let you get into it too hard. It's Fords way of saving warranty costs, but they tell you it is to keep you from buying tires. I like my 6.2 Ford, but I'd rather be able to decide myself if I wanted to SMOKE EM from the stop light. There is still a little PUNK KID in most of us. :B



    Jerry


    You need a tuner on your truck. I run an SCT X3 tuner on my Raptor 6.2 and it really woke it up. The throttle response off the line is awesome now. My 35" KM2s don't stand a chance. ;) The tranny shifts way better too.


    Well that sounds like a really fun truck!! However, it doesn't look like you are using the Raptor to tow the FW.;) I guess my 250 will just have to sound cool, but remain stock, to protect warranty. It is still a fun truck to drive!:C

    Jerry
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    justafordguy
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    Jan 27, 2016
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    MFL wrote:
    mudfuel07 wrote:
    With the 6.2 and 4.30's, I see an honest 13-14 mpg not towing. It's a work truck, so it gets used pretty hard. No issues to date with 42k on it. However, I would love to test drive the Ram 6.4 to see how it does. The 6.2 is a little bit of a dog off the line and wants to shift up as quickly as it can, a lot of times I just shift it manually.


    The Ford 6.2 is a bit doggy feeling off the line. The computer contolled throttle won't let you get into it too hard. It's Fords way of saving warranty costs, but they tell you it is to keep you from buying tires. I like my 6.2 Ford, but I'd rather be able to decide myself if I wanted to SMOKE EM from the stop light. There is still a little PUNK KID in most of us. :B

    Jerry


    You need a tuner on your truck. I run an SCT X3 tuner on my Raptor 6.2 and it really woke it up. The throttle response off the line is awesome now. My 35" KM2s don't stand a chance. ;) The tranny shifts way better too.
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    IDoMyOwnStunts
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    spoon059 wrote:
    fla-gypsy wrote:
    I may be wrong but I believe the Ram 6.4 requires premium fuel. That would be a deal killer for me.

    I don't believe it does. I think they "recommend" 89 octane, but people are saying they don't notice a difference. It was a change between years... I think from 2014 to 2015. No change to the engine, just a change in wording. Regular 87 seems to be working fine, no loss in power or economy.


    The manufacturer recommends premium for my truck when towing. It's about a $6 difference per tank assuming premium is 20 cents more per gallon (My fills are usually 30 gallons). 89 octane would be $3 per tank for me. I'm in the habit now of filling up with premium every time and I don't notice it anymore. I just don't see it being a deal killer of a few bucks per tank on a $40-50k truck. I wouldn't bat an eye at filling the Ram with 89 octane. I understand that there are people with very tight budgets where that would make a difference, but frankly, if you've got the money to throw down on a new truck, you should have the money to spend a couple of bucks more at the pump to get the performance for which you paid.
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    Sport45
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    Jan 26, 2016
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    Greene728 wrote:
    Me Again wrote:
    A 350/3500 gasser might be a tuff resale! Chris


    Why?


    That's what I was thinking too. The used car lots around me aren't sitting full of HD gassers gathering dust.
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    spoon059
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    Jan 25, 2016
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    fla-gypsy wrote:
    I may be wrong but I believe the Ram 6.4 requires premium fuel. That would be a deal killer for me.

    I don't believe it does. I think they "recommend" 89 octane, but people are saying they don't notice a difference. It was a change between years... I think from 2014 to 2015. No change to the engine, just a change in wording. Regular 87 seems to be working fine, no loss in power or economy.
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    Hannibal
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    Cummins12V98 wrote:
    If you want an old truck design get the Ford, If you want a modern truck get the 13 and newer RAM or a NEW 17 Ford. I am sure either would do a fine job. Talk Diesel that another debate.


    The new modern Ram is why I went back to Ford.
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    MFL
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    Jan 25, 2016
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    mudfuel07 wrote:
    With the 6.2 and 4.30's, I see an honest 13-14 mpg not towing. It's a work truck, so it gets used pretty hard. No issues to date with 42k on it. However, I would love to test drive the Ram 6.4 to see how it does. The 6.2 is a little bit of a dog off the line and wants to shift up as quickly as it can, a lot of times I just shift it manually.


    The Ford 6.2 is a bit doggy feeling off the line. The computer contolled throttle won't let you get into it too hard. It's Fords way of saving warranty costs, but they tell you it is to keep you from buying tires. I like my 6.2 Ford, but I'd rather be able to decide myself if I wanted to SMOKE EM from the stop light. There is still a little PUNK KID in most of us. :B

    Jerry

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justafordguy wrote:
MFL wrote:
mudfuel07 wrote:
With the 6.2 and 4.30's, I see an honest 13-14 mpg not towing. It's a work truck, so it gets used pretty hard. No issues to date with 42k on it. However, I would love to test drive the Ram 6.4 to see how it does. The 6.2 is a little bit of a dog off the line and wants to shift up as quickly as it can, a lot of times I just shift it manually.


The Ford 6.2 is a bit doggy feeling off the line. The computer contolled throttle won't let you get into it too hard. It's Fords way of saving warranty costs, but they tell you it is to keep you from buying tires. I like my 6.2 Ford, but I'd rather be able to decide myself if I wanted to SMOKE EM from the stop light. There is still a little PUNK KID in most of us. :B



Jerry


You need a tuner on your truck. I run an SCT X3 tuner on my Raptor 6.2 and it really woke it up. The throttle response off the line is awesome now. My 35\" KM2s don't stand a chance. ;) The tranny shifts way better too.


Well that sounds like a really fun truck!! However, it doesn't look like you are using the Raptor to tow the FW.;) I guess my 250 will just have to sound cool, but remain stock, to protect warranty. It is still a fun truck to drive!:C

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justafordguy wrote:
MFL wrote:
mudfuel07 wrote:
With the 6.2 and 4.30's, I see an honest 13-14 mpg not towing. It's a work truck, so it gets used pretty hard. No issues to date with 42k on it. However, I would love to test drive the Ram 6.4 to see how it does. The 6.2 is a little bit of a dog off the line and wants to shift up as quickly as it can, a lot of times I just shift it manually.


The Ford 6.2 is a bit doggy feeling off the line. The computer contolled throttle won't let you get into it too hard. It's Fords way of saving warranty costs, but they tell you it is to keep you from buying tires. I like my 6.2 Ford, but I'd rather be able to decide myself if I wanted to SMOKE EM from the stop light. There is still a little PUNK KID in most of us. :B



Jerry


You need a tuner on your truck. I run an SCT X3 tuner on my Raptor 6.2 and it really woke it up. The throttle response off the line is awesome now. My 35\" KM2s don't stand a chance. ;) The tranny shifts way better too.


Well that sounds like a really fun truck!! However, it doesn't look like you are using the Raptor to tow the FW.;) I guess my 250 will just have to sound cool, but remain stock, to protect warranty. It is still a fun truck to drive!:C

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MFL wrote:
mudfuel07 wrote:
With the 6.2 and 4.30's, I see an honest 13-14 mpg not towing. It's a work truck, so it gets used pretty hard. No issues to date with 42k on it. However, I would love to test drive the Ram 6.4 to see how it does. The 6.2 is a little bit of a dog off the line and wants to shift up as quickly as it can, a lot of times I just shift it manually.


The Ford 6.2 is a bit doggy feeling off the line. The computer contolled throttle won't let you get into it too hard. It's Fords way of saving warranty costs, but they tell you it is to keep you from buying tires. I like my 6.2 Ford, but I'd rather be able to decide myself if I wanted to SMOKE EM from the stop light. There is still a little PUNK KID in most of us. :B

Jerry


You need a tuner on your truck. I run an SCT X3 tuner on my Raptor 6.2 and it really woke it up. The throttle response off the line is awesome now. My 35\" KM2s don't stand a chance. ;) The tranny shifts way better too.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-01-27T07:05:22.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-01-27T07:05:22.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":282},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2096792/message:2096813","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1063","rawBody":"
MFL wrote:
mudfuel07 wrote:
With the 6.2 and 4.30's, I see an honest 13-14 mpg not towing. It's a work truck, so it gets used pretty hard. No issues to date with 42k on it. However, I would love to test drive the Ram 6.4 to see how it does. The 6.2 is a little bit of a dog off the line and wants to shift up as quickly as it can, a lot of times I just shift it manually.


The Ford 6.2 is a bit doggy feeling off the line. The computer contolled throttle won't let you get into it too hard. It's Fords way of saving warranty costs, but they tell you it is to keep you from buying tires. I like my 6.2 Ford, but I'd rather be able to decide myself if I wanted to SMOKE EM from the stop light. There is still a little PUNK KID in most of us. :B

Jerry


You need a tuner on your truck. I run an SCT X3 tuner on my Raptor 6.2 and it really woke it up. The throttle response off the line is awesome now. My 35\" KM2s don't stand a chance. ;) The tranny shifts way better too.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2096813_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:268709":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:268709","uid":268709,"login":"IDoMyOwnStunts","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2015-12-29T05:56:45.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:268709"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2096812":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2096812","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2096812":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:268709"},"id":"message:2096812","revisionNum":1,"uid":2096812,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2096792"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2096792"},"subject":"Re: Down to F or R for a 1T gasser","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2096812"},"body":"
spoon059 wrote:
fla-gypsy wrote:
I may be wrong but I believe the Ram 6.4 requires premium fuel. That would be a deal killer for me.

I don't believe it does. I think they \"recommend\" 89 octane, but people are saying they don't notice a difference. It was a change between years... I think from 2014 to 2015. No change to the engine, just a change in wording. Regular 87 seems to be working fine, no loss in power or economy.


The manufacturer recommends premium for my truck when towing. It's about a $6 difference per tank assuming premium is 20 cents more per gallon (My fills are usually 30 gallons). 89 octane would be $3 per tank for me. I'm in the habit now of filling up with premium every time and I don't notice it anymore. I just don't see it being a deal killer of a few bucks per tank on a $40-50k truck. I wouldn't bat an eye at filling the Ram with 89 octane. I understand that there are people with very tight budgets where that would make a difference, but frankly, if you've got the money to throw down on a new truck, you should have the money to spend a couple of bucks more at the pump to get the performance for which you paid.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-01-25T17:31:11.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-01-25T17:31:11.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":282},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2096792/message:2096812","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1227","rawBody":"
spoon059 wrote:
fla-gypsy wrote:
I may be wrong but I believe the Ram 6.4 requires premium fuel. That would be a deal killer for me.

I don't believe it does. I think they \"recommend\" 89 octane, but people are saying they don't notice a difference. It was a change between years... I think from 2014 to 2015. No change to the engine, just a change in wording. Regular 87 seems to be working fine, no loss in power or economy.


The manufacturer recommends premium for my truck when towing. It's about a $6 difference per tank assuming premium is 20 cents more per gallon (My fills are usually 30 gallons). 89 octane would be $3 per tank for me. I'm in the habit now of filling up with premium every time and I don't notice it anymore. I just don't see it being a deal killer of a few bucks per tank on a $40-50k truck. I wouldn't bat an eye at filling the Ram with 89 octane. I understand that there are people with very tight budgets where that would make a difference, but frankly, if you've got the money to throw down on a new truck, you should have the money to spend a couple of bucks more at the pump to get the performance for which you paid.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2096812_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:375251":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:375251","uid":375251,"login":"Sport45","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2001-09-24T12:08:19.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-3.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:375251"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2096811":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2096811","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2096811":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:375251"},"id":"message:2096811","revisionNum":1,"uid":2096811,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2096792"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2096792"},"subject":"Re: Down to F or R for a 1T gasser","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2096811"},"body":"
Greene728 wrote:
Me Again wrote:
A 350/3500 gasser might be a tuff resale! Chris


Why?


That's what I was thinking too. The used car lots around me aren't sitting full of HD gassers gathering dust.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-01-25T16:59:47.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-01-25T16:59:47.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":282},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2096792/message:2096811","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"277","rawBody":"
Greene728 wrote:
Me Again wrote:
A 350/3500 gasser might be a tuff resale! Chris


Why?


That's what I was thinking too. The used car lots around me aren't sitting full of HD gassers gathering dust.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2096811_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:354008":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:354008","uid":354008,"login":"spoon059","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2010-10-03T10:19:08.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:354008"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2096810":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2096810","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2096810":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:354008"},"id":"message:2096810","revisionNum":1,"uid":2096810,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2096792"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2096792"},"subject":"Re: Down to F or R for a 1T gasser","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2096810"},"body":"
fla-gypsy wrote:
I may be wrong but I believe the Ram 6.4 requires premium fuel. That would be a deal killer for me.

I don't believe it does. I think they \"recommend\" 89 octane, but people are saying they don't notice a difference. It was a change between years... I think from 2014 to 2015. No change to the engine, just a change in wording. Regular 87 seems to be working fine, no loss in power or economy.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-01-25T15:59:17.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-01-25T15:59:17.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":282},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2096792/message:2096810","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"447","rawBody":"
fla-gypsy wrote:
I may be wrong but I believe the Ram 6.4 requires premium fuel. That would be a deal killer for me.

I don't believe it does. I think they \"recommend\" 89 octane, but people are saying they don't notice a difference. It was a change between years... I think from 2014 to 2015. No change to the engine, just a change in wording. Regular 87 seems to be working fine, no loss in power or economy.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2096810_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:65971":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:65971","uid":65971,"login":"Greene728","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2011-06-30T21:22:26.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:65971"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2096809":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2096809","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2096809":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:65971"},"id":"message:2096809","revisionNum":1,"uid":2096809,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2096792"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2096792"},"subject":"Re: Down to F or R for a 1T gasser","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2096809"},"body":"
Me Again wrote:
A 350/3500 gasser might be a tuff resale! Chris


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Me Again wrote:
A 350/3500 gasser might be a tuff resale! Chris


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Cummins12V98 wrote:
If you want an old truck design get the Ford, If you want a modern truck get the 13 and newer RAM or a NEW 17 Ford. I am sure either would do a fine job. Talk Diesel that another debate.


The new modern Ram is why I went back to Ford.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-01-25T14:57:12.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-01-25T14:57:12.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":282},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2096792/message:2096808","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"296","rawBody":"
Cummins12V98 wrote:
If you want an old truck design get the Ford, If you want a modern truck get the 13 and newer RAM or a NEW 17 Ford. I am sure either would do a fine job. Talk Diesel that another debate.


The new modern Ram is why I went back to Ford.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2096808_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:71":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:71","uid":71,"login":"fla-gypsy","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2005-04-19T19:22:32.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:71"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2096807":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2096807","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2096807":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:71"},"id":"message:2096807","revisionNum":1,"uid":2096807,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2096792"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2096792"},"subject":"Re: Down to F or R for a 1T gasser","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2096807"},"body":"I may be wrong but I believe the Ram 6.4 requires premium fuel. That would be a deal killer for me.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"99","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-01-25T12:57:44.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-01-25T12:57:44.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":283},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2096792/message:2096807","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"99","rawBody":"I may be wrong but I believe the Ram 6.4 requires premium fuel. That would be a deal killer for me.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2096807_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2096806":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2096806","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2096806":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:839"},"id":"message:2096806","revisionNum":1,"uid":2096806,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2096792"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2096792"},"subject":"Re: Down to F or R for a 1T gasser","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2096806"},"body":"
mudfuel07 wrote:
With the 6.2 and 4.30's, I see an honest 13-14 mpg not towing. It's a work truck, so it gets used pretty hard. No issues to date with 42k on it. However, I would love to test drive the Ram 6.4 to see how it does. The 6.2 is a little bit of a dog off the line and wants to shift up as quickly as it can, a lot of times I just shift it manually.


The Ford 6.2 is a bit doggy feeling off the line. The computer contolled throttle won't let you get into it too hard. It's Fords way of saving warranty costs, but they tell you it is to keep you from buying tires. I like my 6.2 Ford, but I'd rather be able to decide myself if I wanted to SMOKE EM from the stop light. There is still a little PUNK KID in most of us. :B

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mudfuel07 wrote:
With the 6.2 and 4.30's, I see an honest 13-14 mpg not towing. It's a work truck, so it gets used pretty hard. No issues to date with 42k on it. However, I would love to test drive the Ram 6.4 to see how it does. The 6.2 is a little bit of a dog off the line and wants to shift up as quickly as it can, a lot of times I just shift it manually.


The Ford 6.2 is a bit doggy feeling off the line. The computer contolled throttle won't let you get into it too hard. It's Fords way of saving warranty costs, but they tell you it is to keep you from buying tires. I like my 6.2 Ford, but I'd rather be able to decide myself if I wanted to SMOKE EM from the stop light. There is still a little PUNK KID in most of us. :B

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It looks close to a coin toss. We'll drive both and see. 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It looks close to a coin toss. We'll drive both and see. 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