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jimh406
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Sep 09, 2020

Effect of weight on braking for trucks.

Instead of further morphing the other thread, I thought it would be interesting to discuss the effect of weight and speed for trucks since we obviously increase our weight when we add TCs.

Obviously, it is talking about drum brakes, but I think the principles apply. It seems like improving the linings and doing things to decrease heat would be helpful.

My source is https://www.truckinginfo.com/347664/how-speed-weight-and-grades-affect-brakes.

Several things happen to hot drum brakes that will reduce their stopping ability--a condition often referred to as brake fade. Most lining materials lose some frictional capability at high temperatures. Poor quality linings may lose up to a third of their effectiveness at temperatures above 600°F.

The laws of physics work against truck brakes in other ways too. It's accepted that if truck weight is doubled, stopping power must be doubled. But if speed is doubled, stopping power must be increased four times. If both weight and speed are doubled, stopping power must be increased eight times.

In practical terms, that means a fully loaded truck descending a hill at 60 mph will require eight times the stopping power of a lightly loaded truck traveling at 30 mph. Or, the brakes on the faster heavier truck will be doing eight times as much work as the brakes on the slower lighter truck. In other words, the brakes must absorb or dissipate eight times as much heat.

Even small increases in speed can make a big difference to the demands on the brakes. An increase in speed from 50 mph to 60 mph --an increase of 25%--would increase the stopping distance on level ground by 56%. You can guess what happen on steep hills at high speed.
  • If you are the kind of driver who primarily relies on the brakes to stop you will probably have problems, particularly if hauling a TC. Many people do not seem to know you can coast a vehicle. They have their foot on either the accelerator or the brake at all times. I can let off the accelerator nearly a mile from my driveway at 55 MPH and still be doing about 40 MPH at my drive way because it is downhill. I typically also engage tow/haul mode to allow the transmission to downshift and help slow the vehicle. I barely need to use the brakes to come to a stop.
    I bought my 2005 Chevy dually new, it's a work truck and is always hauling, towing, or both. When I carried my TC the whole rig was about 13,000 pounds, 1,6000 over the GVWR. The factory rear brake pads lasted until 185,000 miles.
    I don't even have an exhaust brake. I would suspect that a modern diesel with an exhaust brake would need the brakes even less.
    We have a lot of mountains in my area. I always gear down for the grades and don't use the brakes that much. It's not uncommon to follow someone in a car who rides the brakes all the way down the mountain.
    You have to be careful telling people they should get a diesel because it will help them slow down better. This is not at all true. A diesel engine has less engine braking then a gas engine. That's the whole reason exhaust brakes were invented but not all diesels come with them. Even in new vehicles it's mostly heavy duty trucks that have them. Vans, compact trucks, and SUVs with diesel engines often don't have exhaust brakes.
  • In the fire Department where our 3 axle rigs weighed anywhere from 28,000 pounds for an engine to 50,000 for a 3000 gallon water tender we were taught to use "Stab Braking on the hills, both with retarder or engine brake on and off. Gear down, firm on the brakes to 5-8 mph under the max speed you would want to go on a downhill then off the brakes and let the speed creep back up until you hit your max target speed then repeat the process over and over until the bottom of the grade. This gave the brakes a chance to cool and prevent fade or loss so you would still have them if you really needed them.

    I use the same technique with my rig and it is really important when towing a heavy trailer in addition to carrying the TC
  • Great theoretical explanation, but for me it is hard to visualize.
    If the subject would be so simple, we would not have so many professional drivers
    going on run out ramps.
    Per my experience, you need to gear down so the rig will not speed up too much.
    Using brakes for 3-6 seconds every minute is acceptable to me.
    When you need to hold the brake longer -immediately slow down and downshift.
    Only once in my life I "let it ride" for too many seconds and it is not pleasant memory.
  • JimK-NY wrote:
    It should not be a surprise. A heavy load will greatly extend stopping distance and will be hard on brake life.

    Braking is one of the reasons to consider a diesel engine. My last service visit for my 2010 Ram 2500 was at over 70K miles. Almost all of those miles were with a camper and a total weight of over 13K pounds. A lot of the driving was in the mountain States out west. The service report showed I had over 50% of the original brake life remaining.


    I have never seen a report comparing the braking effect of same size engines, same gears, where 1 stops air flowing in, and the other the air flowing out.
  • It should not be a surprise. A heavy load will greatly extend stopping distance and will be hard on brake life.

    Braking is one of the reasons to consider a diesel engine. My last service visit for my 2010 Ram 2500 was at over 70K miles. Almost all of those miles were with a camper and a total weight of over 13K pounds. A lot of the driving was in the mountain States out west. The service report showed I had over 50% of the original brake life remaining.
  • Interesting quote you posted and article on the website.

    Out on the street, however, all a newbie will hear on the RV lot is “why, son, you can pull and carry anything on this lot!” He’ll never ask if he can stop it. On downgrades I actively encourage those I suspect are overloaded to pass me.