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Reisender
Aug 20, 2020Nomad
ShinerBock wrote:Reisender wrote:ShinerBock wrote:time2roll wrote:
Have installed in one rental so far. Tenant still drives big SUVs because there is NO mandate to buy zero emission vehicles.
Waiting for an actual request on the others.
Yeah, I am having a hard time believing that so I won't.
Already checked with the utility. Plenty of existing capacity. No upgrade needed.time2roll wrote:
Only the person that uses more electricity will pay higher cost. Rates stay the same. People will be saving money vs gasoline so cost of living will drop.
That is not how it works. Do you think that the utilities companies will upgrade thousands of miles of underground lines without increasing rates on everyone?
Even PG&E is requesting rate increases for the next few years due to their expenses.....
Pacific Gas and Electric (PG&E) GRC Proceedings (Phase I)
The more expenses a utility company insures, the more rates have to go up to cover said expenses. They don't just do it for free. Also, utility companies charge more for peak hours and if the 50% market of BEV charge at night making that time peak hours as well, then everyone's rate per kw per hour will go up even if they do not use more energy than before. So energy cost will go up as the BEV market share increases. That is inevitable unless the utility companies feel like giving out free stuff out of the kindness of their heart.
Lastly, most people in poverty are driving 30 year old cars that cost less than $5k. It was take A LOT of gas to make it to what what a $30k plus BEV would cost them.
Fair enough. But if you are driving a 30 year old car your maintenance and fuel bills might be enough to justify a 10,000 dollar used electric EV depending on your driving needs.
Is that $10k for the BEV itself or is that including the battery it will likely need soon at that price?
You would have to check cars.com for your area. Used car prices are regionally different. My guess is a 10,000 used BEV would be a 2012 Nissan Leaf, maybe 70-75 percent battery capacity remaining. Good enough for a 30 to 50 kilometer commute to work with half the capacity left. (Ranges were short back then) Probably another 6 or 8 years of useful battery life left. Leafs are very low maintenance. Many of the original fleet of Nissan Leaf cabs in Madrid have north of 150,000 km on them on the original batteries and they are still making money with them. Some with only 50 percent of battery capacity left. :) Early leaf batteries HATED the heat as they had no active thermal control. (They still don't but the chemistry has changed somewhat).
Like I say, I don't know where you live so it may be different there but here one can pick up a nice reasonable mileage electric commuter for reasonable dollars.
I think one has to be careful with a big paint brush when talking about poverty as it means different things in different regions of the world. We have lived and traveled in more than a few parts of the world. Poverty looks a lot different in socialist countries like Norway or Germany or Canada than the USA. Its hard to generalize under those circumstances. Not knocking either system, the people vote for what they want, the people are always right.
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