EPA: not just keeping your tailpipe clean

I worked for a large investor owned company. It was not what you knew it was who you knew. I used to think "this is like a government job". Although I never worked for any government fed, state, or local. It seemed like what I heard government was like. The CEOs could do no wrong, when we thought they did all we saw were the "golden parachutes" and one of their own step right in.

How many good companies have been run into the ground by bad management ? Government haters will always hate but the reality is good honest hard working people are the majority in private and public sector jobs. They suffer fools equally.

SoCalDesertRider wrote:
I think most who go into government service are incompentent in the real world to begin with, and want to work for the government for the easy paycheck, high benefits, and difficulty of ever being fired, no matter how terrible they are at the job.

It isn't just government, there are way too many incompetent CEO's in the private sector. If they do get "Fired" it is with huge severance packages, we all pay for that also.

SoCalDesertRider wrote:

blt2ski wrote:
bmanning,

you are correct in that any topic like this bring out the worst if you will of folks. But knowing many that served this country proud, did the best they could be it in the military, government work etc.......to put all of them in a bad spot because of the one in a hundred bad apple which occurs in ALL jobs and business's.....its not right.

I do agree that some factions of the government like the EPA some times the left is harming the right hand if you will when both should be working together, as one does this, which hurt the that the other implemented to stop something, at the end, both made it worst!

Marty

Possibly I painted with too broad a brush. However, that's been my experience with government in general, thus far. I have had those experiences in large corporate businesses as well, to a lesser degree. Business is at least driven by the bottom line, when it comes down to it, whereas government is not, so government's abuses can and do run fully amuck, when businesses are more apt to catch and right themselves, eventually.

+1 well said.

I worked 31.5 years for USDA. While I did not agree with every policy the Agency had I worked hard and was loyal. There were many others just like me. There were also a small percentage of folks who were there for the ride and end up giving everyone a bad image, just like in private business.

I know folks who work for large corporation who deal with politics and deadbeats too. Don't paint with such a broad stroke when you are critical. Most people in Gov't work hard and are just doing their job. Policy is way above their pay grade.

blt2ski wrote:
bmanning,

you are correct in that any topic like this bring out the worst if you will of folks. But knowing many that served this country proud, did the best they could be it in the military, government work etc.......to put all of them in a bad spot because of the one in a hundred bad apple which occurs in ALL jobs and business's.....its not right.

I do agree that some factions of the government like the EPA some times the left is harming the right hand if you will when both should be working together, as one does this, which hurt the that the other implemented to stop something, at the end, both made it worst!

Marty

Possibly I painted with too broad a brush. However, that's been my experience with government in general, thus far. I have had those experiences in large corporate businesses as well, to a lesser degree. Business is at least driven by the bottom line, when it comes down to it, whereas government is not, so government's abuses can and do run fully amuck, when businesses are more apt to catch and right themselves, eventually.

fla-gypsy wrote:

tplife wrote:
When you allow a group of unelected beaurocrats the power to destroy choice and commerce under the guise of protecting the public, you are well on your way to living under tyranny. Get used to it until every schlub fees it in their hearts (& wallets). :)

DOI, paragraph 1

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--

Amen, to both of those!

tplife wrote:
When you allow a group of unelected beaurocrats the power to destroy choice and commerce under the guise of protecting the public, you are well on your way to living under tyranny. Get used to it until every schlub fees it in their hearts (& wallets). :)

DOI, paragraph 1

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--

This story had nothing to do with an incompetent worker. It was about a willfully dishonest manipulator who aggressively cheated his employer, who happened to be the EPA.

When you allow a group of unelected beaurocrats the power to destroy choice and commerce under the guise of protecting the public, you are well on your way to living under tyranny. Get used to it until every schlub fees it in their hearts (& wallets). :)