EPA: not just keeping your tailpipe clean

BurbMan wrote:

tplife wrote:
When you allow a group of unelected beaurocrats the power to destroy choice and commerce under the guise of protecting the public, you are well on your way to living under tyranny. Get used to it until every schlub fees it in their hearts (& wallets). :)

Really? You want to go back to living in the 70's with Love Canal and rivers that caught fire? Sometimes the EPA can seem draconian but you have to admit the US is a much cleaner place to live and breathe than it was 40 years ago.

As for the chump in the article, that can/does happen anywhere. It's really the fault of the guy he worked for, who was too gullible and trusting. Signed his expense reports without checking, believed his CIA BS story without checking, etc. As a guy who has managed staffs of VP-level guys for years, I can tell you that nobody likes to work in an environment where your decisions are constantly second-guessed, and every dime you spend is questioned by a clerk. If you are managing at that level you have to be smart enough to know when somebody is working and when they are BSing you.

Thanks, as a 34-year science professional (circa '78, Industrial Organic Chemistry) I'm going to assume you're complimenting us on our diligence to maintain clean facilities while we sweat 24/7 to produce the pharmaceuticals and medical devices you and your family demand (I didn't work for Hooker or Dupont). Pat yourself on the back should the time ever come that they say "Made In China". Hey, if Beale could fool his wife, he could probably fool you too, LOL! :p

Always has to be one political comment to ruin it for all......:s

bmanning wrote:
EPA fraud

I am not anti-government or anti-EPA by any means- I have two very young sons that I hope can breathe clean air when they're 60- but I found this to be a sad commentary and a reminder that we should never blindly trust those in power.

Let's hope that your sons learn to read before they are old enough to enlist or vote. The fraud was in an employee claiming to be a CIA operative to avoid showing up for work. That a CIA employee lied to their boss is hardly surprising when the CIA has been lying to the American people for more than 65 years.

As Harry Truman stated "I never would have agreed to the formulation of the Central Intelligence Agency back in forty-seven, if I had known it would become the American Gestapo."

And that was before all the CIA shananigans under the direction of Bush-Cheney that got us into two wars at a cost of more than $3 trillion - which your sons will be working to paying off.

It's all fun and games to mock the EPA and the civil servants there but the alternative is Bejing where one can't see 10 feet for the filth in the air.

Bob Landry wrote:
The worst I can remember were the civil dis-service people on the military bases. What a joke. Talk about CYA..

Amen brother and they have not changed one iota in the years I have been associated with the military.

tplife wrote:
When you allow a group of unelected beaurocrats the power to destroy choice and commerce under the guise of protecting the public, you are well on your way to living under tyranny. Get used to it until every schlub fees it in their hearts (& wallets). :)

Really? You want to go back to living in the 70's with Love Canal and rivers that caught fire? Sometimes the EPA can seem draconian but you have to admit the US is a much cleaner place to live and breathe than it was 40 years ago.

As for the chump in the article, that can/does happen anywhere. It's really the fault of the guy he worked for, who was too gullible and trusting. Signed his expense reports without checking, believed his CIA BS story without checking, etc. As a guy who has managed staffs of VP-level guys for years, I can tell you that nobody likes to work in an environment where your decisions are constantly second-guessed, and every dime you spend is questioned by a clerk. If you are managing at that level you have to be smart enough to know when somebody is working and when they are BSing you.

Before I went into business for myself, every company I worked for, from small local owned to large corporation had management issues. They worked on the good 'ol boy system creating jobs for their incompetent friends, and I saw the same group of people move from one company to the next turning it belly up and moving on to the next disaster. I think a lot of managers in every sector create problems to justify their jobs. The problem is that they are hardly ever weeded out and once you have manager or supervisor on your resume' you're off and running regardless of your competence level. The worst I can remember were the civil dis-service people on the military bases. What a joke. Talk about CYA..

From preachers to presidents, the opportunity for abuse is there. People are people. You can't trust them.

Sorry duplicate

dahkota wrote:

SoCalDesertRider wrote:
I think most who go into government service are incompentent in the real world to begin with, and want to work for the government for the easy paycheck, high benefits, and difficulty of ever being fired, no matter how terrible they are at the job.

That's funny.
I left the "real world" for a job with half the pay, worse medical insurance, and a pension I would never collect on. Being an exempt employee, I could be fired at will (hourly's have better protection) and the "easy job" was a lot more stressful than the one I had in the private sector. Why did I do it? The opportunity to serve, to know that I could actually make a difference. Am I proud of my public service? Absolutely. Even in the face of detractors who have no clue.

As if anyone is gonna post that they are incompetent and lazy so they work for the government ....