F 250 vs Ram 2500

Me Again wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

rhagfo wrote:

Interesting, GM has used Allison for years, yet it is bad that Ram uses Aisin? as to refined shifting, our Aisin shifts smooth loaded or empty.
Ram went with the Bosch 4.2 for two year and then went back to the Bosch 3, and still make plenty of power.

Chevrolet and GMC used Allison transmissions because GM owned Allison back then and the Chevy/GMC were the first to install a medium duty transmission into their trucks and the shifting quality was second to none, but they did have some problems but nothing significant. Also the Aisin's that were first installed in the Ram cab and chassis trucks where actually failure prone more than people realize and the cost to replace one was really expensive.

I do not believe the Allison 1000 is a true medium duty transmission. That would be big brother Ally 3000.

Chris,
The 1000 was designed for 8600-19500 is class 2b to 5 trucks. Gcwr to 26000 initially. The 2000 series, a stronger internal setup, same case had two gear set options. The narrow band 3.1 to .73 of with the .63 in 6 sp versions. Iirc 2100 with a parking pawl and 2300 pawlless. Then the wide ratio, more common in 3000/Aision series with a 3.54 1st to a .75 od and .65 dod in 6sp. Iirc 2200/2400. Also ALL of these had a pto option. The gcwr on the 2000 was 33k later 35000. Pawl less ones were a bit higher gcw than with a parking oawl.
In GM you got the 1000 in 2500-4500, and the 19500 have 5500 trucks. The 2000 in the 6500 with 19591-26000 gvw options. Navistar used the 1000/2000 models in there V8 models too. From the 7.3, 6.0 and 6.4 engines. Not sure about current models. I believe FL used a 1000 for behind a few years with the Dodge V10 too.
Some of info I'm pulling out if the gray area if brain electron and memory. I could be incorrect to a degree or three about some stuff. From a discussion forum standpoint, I'm close enough in my book.

Marty

Me Again wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

rhagfo wrote:

Interesting, GM has used Allison for years, yet it is bad that Ram uses Aisin? as to refined shifting, our Aisin shifts smooth loaded or empty.
Ram went with the Bosch 4.2 for two year and then went back to the Bosch 3, and still make plenty of power.

Chevrolet and GMC used Allison transmissions because GM owned Allison back then and the Chevy/GMC were the first to install a medium duty transmission into their trucks and the shifting quality was second to none, but they did have some problems but nothing significant. Also the Aisin's that were first installed in the Ram cab and chassis trucks where actually failure prone more than people realize and the cost to replace one was really expensive.

I do not believe the Allison 1000 is a true medium duty transmission. That would be big brother Ally 3000.

AGREED!

swimmer_spe wrote:


Other truck forums have the same silly discussion. If you care that much, go get a Prius or a Tesla. I know my current truck is 900km empty/700km full. Can I get better? Sure, but knowing that makes my life easier when driving.

Or just get a 4 banger diesel car, then delete and tune it 225rwhp/375rwtq so you can have a fun 40-mile commute. That is my case so I don't really care what kind of fuel mileage I get in my truck. I did care more about fuel mileage in my truck back when it was my only vehicle and my fuel bill was over $350 every month.

ShinerBock wrote:

swimmer_spe wrote:

OP here

Still
Don't
Care
About
Fuel
Mileage.

I don't either, especially since my diesel car gets over 40 mpg, and only record mileage for tax reasons. However, I was just clearing up some misinformation that someone was trying to use as a jab toward someone else. Sorry that it kept going on. Back on the topic.

Other truck forums have the same silly discussion. If you care that much, go get a Prius or a Tesla. I know my current truck is 900km empty/700km full. Can I get better? Sure, but knowing that makes my life easier when driving.

swimmer_spe wrote:

OP here

Still
Don't
Care
About
Fuel
Mileage.

I don't either, especially since my diesel car gets over 40 mpg, and only record mileage for tax reasons. However, I was just clearing up some misinformation that someone was trying to use as a jab toward someone else. Sorry that it kept going on. Back on the topic.

^Like button!

ShinerBock wrote:

4x4ord wrote:


I have tracked the mileage and fuel put into my truck and calibrated the mpg meter. At my last fill up my trip meter read 14.2 litres per 100 km. Calculating the actual came out to 14.15 L/100 km.

I agree the 10 speed on its own can not account for the increased mileage that the 2021 gets over the ‘17. I think the mileage increase is about 18%. I have no way of knowing where the gain is coming from but maybe 6% is gained directly from the new transmission. I’m possibly gaining an additional 6% due to being able to run 3.31 gears vs 3.55s in the past. The improvements to the engine might account for another 6%.
According to Fuelly the 2017 got 12.9 mpg and the 2020/21 gets about 12.5 mpg. Whether or not my 18% is accurate or not I’ll never know but I’m 100% certain that I’m getting significantly better fuel economy. I’m not saying that the data posted on Fuelly is necessarily wrong but to take that data and claim that the 2021 Powerstroke is less fuel efficient than the 2017 is just not accurate. We have no way of knowing how each of these trucks are being used.

I still don't trust computers and will never trust anyone who quotes them based on my own experience.

Also, you are not looking at all of the data. There is a reason why I posted the gains for the F250 as well because the F350( as well as 1-tons from other brands) vary from year to year depending. One-tons generally get used for towing way more often than their 3/4-ton counterparts hence the reason why I added the data for that as well since it is way more likely to have unloaded fuel economy than the 1-ton group.

The numbers posted are actual recorded fuel mileage(better than the computer), but a group from year A may have more towing miles than a group from year B. Or, the group from year A can have more DRW trucks than year B. Again, I posted info on the 3/4-ton to account for this and all of the data posted should be accounted for, not just cherry-picking parts to make one's favorite look better. If you notice the mileage increase on the 3/4-tons, it is only a 6-7% increase from averaging 2017-2019 versus 2020-2021 numbers.

OP here

Still
Don't
Care
About
Fuel
Mileage.

You guys are back at it early this morning. Thanks for the entertainment and much needed distraction this morning.
Shiner, I think 4xs Powerstroke got that magic dust. You know, the stuff Cheech Marin said Santa Claus gives to his reindeers!

4x4ord wrote:


I have tracked the mileage and fuel put into my truck and calibrated the mpg meter. At my last fill up my trip meter read 14.2 litres per 100 km. Calculating the actual came out to 14.15 L/100 km.

I agree the 10 speed on its own can not account for the increased mileage that the 2021 gets over the ‘17. I think the mileage increase is about 18%. I have no way of knowing where the gain is coming from but maybe 6% is gained directly from the new transmission. I’m possibly gaining an additional 6% due to being able to run 3.31 gears vs 3.55s in the past. The improvements to the engine might account for another 6%.
According to Fuelly the 2017 got 12.9 mpg and the 2020/21 gets about 12.5 mpg. Whether or not my 18% is accurate or not I’ll never know but I’m 100% certain that I’m getting significantly better fuel economy. I’m not saying that the data posted on Fuelly is necessarily wrong but to take that data and claim that the 2021 Powerstroke is less fuel efficient than the 2017 is just not accurate. We have no way of knowing how each of these trucks are being used.

I still don't trust computers and will never trust anyone who quotes them based on my own experience.

Also, you are not looking at all of the data. There is a reason why I posted the gains for the F250 as well because the F350( as well as 1-tons from other brands) vary from year to year depending. One-tons generally get used for towing way more often than their 3/4-ton counterparts hence the reason why I added the data for that as well since it is way more likely to have unloaded fuel economy than the 1-ton group.

The numbers posted are actual recorded fuel mileage(better than the computer), but a group from year A may have more towing miles than a group from year B. Or, the group from year A can have more DRW trucks than year B. Again, I posted info on the 3/4-ton to account for this and all of the data posted should be accounted for, not just cherry-picking parts to make one's favorite look better. If you notice the mileage increase on the 3/4-tons, it is only a 6-7% increase from averaging 2017-2019 versus 2020-2021 numbers.

Bionic Man wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

swimmer_spe wrote:

Me Again wrote:

kellem wrote:
OP, if your looking new then Ford currently owns the market with the 6.7 PS or the 7.3 gas.
I actually wanted a Ram but simply couldn't overlook this.

It is called different strokes for different folks. I had three RAM/Cummins trucks(1993, 2001.5 and 2015) and loved each one. Never was stranded on the side of the road, 1994 to 2021.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXutuWDIGU4

If only they made that truck combination. How bad are the Dodge transmissions?

While the diesel “gurus” are arguing the finer points of fuel mileage and who’s trans is real and who’s is fake....

Dodge ( to trigger the “it’s a RAM” folks) HD truck aren’t “bad” per se. But the 68, while as reliable as any (IMO) is just a clunky antiquated unit that shifts like a wet bag of dog c rap. The Aisin is a stout get er done great towing trans ( although the 68 acts better towing than bobtail) that doesn’t have any meaningful aftermarket ability to be built up for the (small %) of mod truck guys. IMO it’s on par with Ford and GMs old 6 speeds, easily.
BUT since you’re a ways out from buying a new truck, the “Dodge” will have a 8speed ZF trans very soon. It’s not highly publicized, actually Ram and ZF are keeping it on the down low, but the deal is done. Then Ram will have a trans that is competitive with the current competition.

Let me guess. A receptionist when you were touring the ZF plant gave you that nugget of info as long as you promised not to tell? Did they also tell you about a new emissions system that was going to increase fuel efficiency and power?.....

Wow, you’re not usually this douchy....
But no, idfk where a ZF plant even is. So you’re right, I’m full of ____. And my (insert cousins uncles girlfriends brother) who is a 20 year employee of ZF in their transit and heavy highway division who drove one as early as 2018 and as recent as last year Is probably full of it too.
So long live the 68re I suppose?