FCA Proposes a Merger with Renault

RobertRyan wrote:

That's nice, but your " trucks" are totally irrelevant outside NA where Global companies are making huge profits . Australia is the largest market outside NA for US Pickups and roughly 2000 are sold annually. Mainly " Lifestyle" or PR uses

Funny, in Australia, trucks are #1 and #2 on the top vehicle sales list

source

ShinerBock wrote:
Toyota and Nissan sold trucks with the chicken tax and they are still here because they sold 4wd extended cab trucks with long beds unlike the others who mostly sold 2wd regular cab trucks with short beds.

They are still here because they build them in the US and are not subject to the tax.

ShinerBock wrote:
Toyota and Nissan sold trucks with the chicken tax and they are still here because they sold 4wd extended cab trucks with long beds unlike the others who mostly sold 2wd regular cab trucks with short beds.

That's nice, but your " trucks" are totally irrelevant outside NA where Global companies are making huge profits . Australia is the largest market outside NA for US Pickups and roughly 2000 are sold annually. Mainly " Lifestyle" or PR uses

Toyota and Nissan sold trucks with the chicken tax and they are still here because they sold 4wd extended cab trucks with long beds unlike the others who mostly sold 2wd regular cab trucks with short beds.

wq93 wrote:
And the marriage ends before the ceremony starts: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/05/business/fiat-renault-merger-withdrawn.html

Now they are getting back together

Me Again wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

Toyota and Nissan and Honda build those vehicles in the US to get around the tariffs, which drove the rest away. It's easy to be competitive if you have a 25% advantage right from the get go.

And build a good vehicle:

I had a 1978 Civic 2d hatch back, 1977 Accord 2d hatch back, and 1984 Prelude all made in Japan, the 1987 Acccord 4d was made in America along with the 2001 Accord EX V6 4d, I could not tell the difference in quality. Then later I bought an used 1991 Prelude. Honda put new seat belts in the 1991 Prelude under special safety warranty in 2013 +/-. I lost count of the number of Honda motorcycles I owned. Maybe ATC90, Trail 90, Trail 110, SL175, Trials 250, SL 350, probably others.

Enjoyed ever one of them.

The number of good vehicles that are being produced outside the US that are not sold in the US is growing exponentially,

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
It doesn't matter what the Chinese market will buy in regards to our tow vehicles. North America is a big enough market to have multiple truck brands like Chevrolet, GMC, Ram Ford, Nissan, Toyota, and Honda with vehicles specific to our market and still be profitable. Heck, I would wager that a few other foreign truck brands could also join in if they built a factory here like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda did and make vehicles we actually want instead of just small trucks.

Toyota and Nissan and Honda build those vehicles in the US to get around the tariffs, which drove the rest away. It's easy to be competitive if you have a 25% advantage right from the get go.

Oh so True

Nope, as I said above. Them not building a vehicles US buyers wanted is what drove them away. If price drove people's buying decisions over wants in the US then base model trucks would outsell higher priced optioned trucks, but that isn't the case here.

See my previous answer

RobertRyan wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
It doesn't matter what the Chinese market will buy in regards to our tow vehicles. North America is a big enough market to have multiple truck brands like Chevrolet, GMC, Ram Ford, Nissan, Toyota, and Honda with vehicles specific to our market and still be profitable. Heck, I would wager that a few other foreign truck brands could also join in if they built a factory here like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda did and make vehicles we actually want instead of just small trucks.

Toyota and Nissan and Honda build those vehicles in the US to get around the tariffs, which drove the rest away. It's easy to be competitive if you have a 25% advantage right from the get go.

Oh so True

Nope, as I said above. Them not building a vehicles US buyers wanted is what drove them away. If price drove people's buying decisions over wants in the US then base model trucks would outsell higher priced optioned trucks, but that isn't the case here.

FishOnOne wrote:
Crazy stuff... FCA has withdrawn it's offer from Renault.

Link

It appears this is a ongoing story, now they are in talks again

wilber1 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
It doesn't matter what the Chinese market will buy in regards to our tow vehicles. North America is a big enough market to have multiple truck brands like Chevrolet, GMC, Ram Ford, Nissan, Toyota, and Honda with vehicles specific to our market and still be profitable. Heck, I would wager that a few other foreign truck brands could also join in if they built a factory here like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda did and make vehicles we actually want instead of just small trucks.

Toyota and Nissan and Honda build those vehicles in the US to get around the tariffs, which drove the rest away. It's easy to be competitive if you have a 25% advantage right from the get go.

Oh so True. Anyway the Global market is 100 million vehicles and those manufacturers who do not sell in the US, are making profits or huge profits elsewhere. Reason VW, Toyota then currently Renault/ Nissan / Mitsubishi are 1, 2, 3 Globally with GM 4th, Ford is 5th or 6th