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RobertRyan wrote:
If Australia would have put heavy tariffs on their ute's like the US does with their trucks, then it would force these trucks makers to move their factories to Australia instead of in Thailand
No they never built them in Australia, so 25% on something that does not exist does not make sense. Losing their subsidies made US owners shut down manufacturing not Tariffs. FTA' are recent phenomenen , cheaper Labour and efficiencies due to many manufacturers in the area attracted other manufacturers
You are not get what I am saying. A 25% tariff would force truck manufacturers to build your own ute's domestically without the need to give subsidies because it would make it more cost effective to build in Australia instead of Thailand.Me Again wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
RobertRyan wrote:
GM and a few others decided to build a factory in Thailand for truck production after TAFTA was signed. If it weren't signed and Australia had higher tariffs on their utes, then that would have forced these companies to build their trucks in Australia with
Not one factory, factories and the Factoriy for GM existed before the TAFTA was signed.
No Midsize Pickups were ever built in Australia. Higher Tariffs would have done little for imports of Pickups from Thailand, not affected either way. Thailand became the Detriot of Asia as a result economies of scale worked in their favour
They became the Detroit of Asia because of free trade and less expensive labor/regulations made it more cost effective to build there in order to maximize profits. If Australia would have put heavy tariffs on their ute's like the US does with their trucks, then it would force these trucks makers to move their factories to Australia instead of in Thailand. It would also mean that Australia would not have to offer many tax subsidies to get them to stay.
Great example of this is the US Colorado and Ranger. These two trucks were already being built overseas when they were re-introduced to the US market in a mid-size truck market dominated by Toyota. Ford and GM could have easily just ramped up the factories in Thailand or Brazil to meet US sales keeping these jobs overseas. However, due to the 25% tariff, GM and Ford built or refurbished factories in the US because it was more cost effective for them to build them here instead of overseas.
I would grantee you that if Australia slapped a 25% tariff on their trucks, the truck makes will move their factories there without having to give away much(if any) tax subsidies. I would even estimate that the price of these trucks would not increase more than 3-5% either.
I wonder if the Colorado's built overseas have better frames that do not bend at the point of a large cutout in the frame rails?
ROFLMAO.............Because some idiot launched one while pulling an overloaded trailer in the Nevada desert, then had his friend make a Facebook post showing his level of stupidity in an effort to get GM to pay for his Einstein moment?They are not the same frames from what I have read. The US Colorado/Canyon frame is longer to accommodate for the longer beds in our market. The US frame is also supposedly 40% lighter due to the use of "high-strength steel" while still having the same yield strength according to GM
I do not think so as you can get 10ft Utility beds on the Colorado here US payloads are a lot lessIf Australia would have put heavy tariffs on their ute's like the US does with their trucks, then it would force these trucks makers to move their factories to Australia instead of in Thailand
No they never built them in Australia, so 25% on something that does not exist does not make sense. Losing their subsidies made US owners shut down manufacturing not Tariffs. FTA' are recent phenomenen , cheaper Labour and efficiencies due to many manufacturers in the area attracted other manufacturersMe Again wrote:
I wonder if the Colorado's built overseas have better frames that do not bend at the point of a large cutout in the frame rails?
They are not the same frames from what I have read. The US Colorado/Canyon frame is longer to accommodate for the longer beds in our market. The US frame is also supposedly 40% lighter due to the use of "high-strength steel" while still having the same yield strength according to GM.ShinerBock wrote:
RobertRyan wrote:
GM and a few others decided to build a factory in Thailand for truck production after TAFTA was signed. If it weren't signed and Australia had higher tariffs on their utes, then that would have forced these companies to build their trucks in Australia with
Not one factory, factories and the Factoriy for GM existed before the TAFTA was signed.
No Midsize Pickups were ever built in Australia. Higher Tariffs would have done little for imports of Pickups from Thailand, not affected either way. Thailand became the Detriot of Asia as a result economies of scale worked in their favour
They became the Detroit of Asia because of free trade and less expensive labor/regulations made it more cost effective to build there in order to maximize profits. If Australia would have put heavy tariffs on their ute's like the US does with their trucks, then it would force these trucks makers to move their factories to Australia instead of in Thailand. It would also mean that Australia would not have to offer many tax subsidies to get them to stay.
Great example of this is the US Colorado and Ranger. These two trucks were already being built overseas when they were re-introduced to the US market in a mid-size truck market dominated by Toyota. Ford and GM could have easily just ramped up the factories in Thailand or Brazil to meet US sales keeping these jobs overseas. However, due to the 25% tariff, GM and Ford built or refurbished factories in the US because it was more cost effective for them to build them here instead of overseas.
I would grantee you that if Australia slapped a 25% tariff on their trucks, the truck makes will move their factories there without having to give away much(if any) tax subsidies. I would even estimate that the price of these trucks would not increase more than 3-5% either.
I wonder if the Colorado's built overseas have better frames that do not bend at the point of a large cutout in the frame rails?RobertRyan wrote:
GM and a few others decided to build a factory in Thailand for truck production after TAFTA was signed. If it weren't signed and Australia had higher tariffs on their utes, then that would have forced these companies to build their trucks in Australia with
Not one factory, factories and the Factoriy for GM existed before the TAFTA was signed.
No Midsize Pickups were ever built in Australia. Higher Tariffs would have done little for imports of Pickups from Thailand, not affected either way. Thailand became the Detriot of Asia as a result economies of scale worked in their favour
They became the Detroit of Asia because of free trade and less expensive labor/regulations made it more cost effective to build there in order to maximize profits. If Australia would have put heavy tariffs on their ute's like the US does with their trucks, then it would force these trucks makers to move their factories to Australia instead of in Thailand. It would also mean that Australia would not have to offer many tax subsidies to get them to stay.
Great example of this is the US Colorado and Ranger. These two trucks were already being built overseas when they were re-introduced to the US market in a mid-size truck market dominated by Toyota. Ford and GM could have easily just ramped up the factories in Thailand or Brazil to meet US sales keeping these jobs overseas. However, due to the 25% tariff, GM and Ford built or refurbished factories in the US because it was more cost effective for them to build them here instead of overseas.
I would grantee you that if Australia slapped a 25% tariff on their trucks, the truck makes will move their factories there without having to give away much(if any) tax subsidies. I would even estimate that the price of these trucks would not increase more than 3-5% either.GM and a few others decided to build a factory in Thailand for truck production after TAFTA was signed. If it weren't signed and Australia had higher tariffs on their utes, then that would have forced these companies to build their trucks in Australia with
Not one factory, factories and the Factoriy for GM existed before the TAFTA was signed.
No Midsize Pickups were ever built in Australia. Higher Tariffs would have done little for imports of Pickups from Thailand, not affected either way. Thailand became the Detriot of Asia as a result economies of scale worked in their favourFishOnOne wrote:
Sounds like FCA and Renault are still talking.
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They are the opportunity to become number 3 Globally is pretty tempting
