The EcoDiesel will be back in RAM and Jeep vehicles for 2017. Looks like they have a fix for prior year vehicles as well.Announcement

That is good news. I was looking forward to the upcoming diesel Wrangler. With this EPA hold, I was thinking it would be another few years off.

That is very good news. When it first broke that the EPA was questioning FCA lots of folks jumped the gun saying FCA was getting sued for illegal software and equated it to the VW deal. If you actually read the fine print, the issue came down to extreme conditions (like frozen DEF) when software exceptions have to be made for the SCR system. All of the manufacturers have these exceptions built in, they have to so the system can function. All the EPA was saying was that they thought there were exception conditions in the software that they had not been aware of.At no point was FCA accused of cheating for emissions testing like VW. Basically FCA engineers just had to set down with the EPA and go line by line through the software controls and explain how the exceptions that the EPA questioned played within the rules.No doom and gloom, just answering some questions. Now it's just time to move on.KJ

LIKE2BUILD wrote: Basically FCA engineers just had to set down with the EPA and go line by line through the software controls and explain how the exceptions that the EPA questioned played within the rules.KJWell, looks like some of their deviations did not get approved. But at least all the fixes can be addressed with a re-flash.The 2017 updates include modified emissions software calibrations,

LIKE2BUILD wrote:No doom and gloom, just answering some questions. Now it's just time to move on.Ha... do you really think that the troll will let it go that easily...?

It's good news for FCA and the customers waiting to buy them.

FCA Receives Certification for EcoDiesel | Good Sam Community

mich800
Explorer
Jul 29, 2017
spoon059 wrote:
mich800 wrote:
Or has this thread already deteriorated with preemptive whining.

Not who I was expecting, but trolling none the less. Job well done sir!

How am I trolling? It was a legitimate question. Nothing derogatory was said but it seems like some would like to steer it that way. You apparently are unaware of my affiliation with FCA along with other Detroit car companies.
Allamakee1
Explorer
Jul 29, 2017
Well that's good news. I haven't been following the scandal because of so many rumors, but for those of us owners, I'm happy it's moving along.
LIKE2BUILD
Explorer
Jul 29, 2017
carringb wrote:
LIKE2BUILD wrote:
Basically FCA engineers just had to set down with the EPA and go line by line through the software controls and explain how the exceptions that the EPA questioned played within the rules.

KJ

Well, looks like some of their deviations did not get approved. But at least all the fixes can be addressed with a re-flash.

The 2017 updates include modified emissions software calibrations,

True. A re-flash to alter the exception conditions is all it will take to correct the issue.

The main thing is they were deviations of the EPA's expectations. This is very different from VW where they literally programmed the ECM to use a different set of tables when the vehicles were plugged into emissions testing equipment, but used a different set that polluted more during normal driving conditions. In the case of the Ecodiesel, the EPA said the extreme condition exceptions were different than they thought.

I'm glad the EPA is being reasonable and FCA will be back on track. At least it's not a VW situation where they just said "oh well, we just won't ever sell another diesel in the US". Ugh, really? I find it odd there couldn't have been some kind of solution to the issue.

KJ
RobertRyan
Explorer
Jul 29, 2017
ShinerBock wrote:
RobertRyan wrote:
I know it was not my imagination but generally Diesel makes up 22% of overall sales here

Huh!?! :h

What does that have to do with the Ecodiesel now being allowed to be sold in the US again?

Easy, the VMotori is already sold here.no restrictions were placed. Unlike the US and the hysteria about Diesels, Diesels are being sold in record numbers
ROBERTSUNRUS
Explorer
Jul 29, 2017
:) Hi, I'm not a diesel fan or a Dodge fan, but glad they got this sorted out and back on the market.
ShinerBock
Explorer
Jul 29, 2017
RobertRyan wrote:

Easy, the VMotori is already sold here.no restrictions were placed. Unlike the US and the hysteria about Diesels, Diesels are being sold in record numbers

And why does global sales matter when the topic us US sales only? This has nothing to do with the Australian or European since our diesel NOx output emissions regulation is more strict than even the new Euro 6 regulations so......
bucky
Explorer II
Jul 29, 2017
The gov moves very slowly in all matters, but especially in an understaffed EPA. They are looking very hard at all diesel manufacturers and are in no particular hurry. Sadly this gives time for rumors to grow like mold in a flood house.
I'm glad that they have passed the inspection and can get on with business.
RobertRyan
Explorer
Jul 30, 2017
ShinerBock wrote:
RobertRyan wrote:

Easy, the VMotori is already sold here.no restrictions were placed. Unlike the US and the hysteria about Diesels, Diesels are being sold in record numbers

And why does global sales matter when the topic us US sales only? This has nothing to do with the Australian or European since our diesel NOx output emissions regulation is more strict than even the new Euro 6 regulations so......

They certainly are not as strict and US compliant cannot be sold herr or in Europe.. Well US sales are a matter of hysteria, something that does not exist outside NA.
VM Motori is an Italian manufacturer of diesels, .RAM 3litre is built in Italy, it is a European engine that is sold globally , although it's US regs differ
Flashman
Explorer II
Jul 30, 2017
Well which is it??

Is the U.S. more restrictive than Europe?
RobertRyan
Explorer
Jul 30, 2017
Flashman wrote:
Well which is it??

Is the U.S. more restrictive than Europe?

Neither , they have a different emphasis.,Euro stages are more aimed at CO2 and particulates , US N0x. " Euro" does not relate to Europe as such, but the type of restrictions. You get Japanese , Korean Trucks that have a "'Euro" compliance.