FCA(Marchionne) says diesel is dead
Doesn't look good for those of us who like diesels. Sounds like the pollution controls are killing it. Article
Forum Discussion
- Some swear by Gasser, some swear by diesel ...
One issue that does not get addressed often: What do you do with a great diesel engine in ten or fifteen years when the engine is still top notch, but the rest of the truck is winding down its useful life.
It's not the engine that wears out, even on a Gasser. I traded my 2003 6.0L Gasser in after 215,000 miles and it still cranked over on one-two rotations and ran like new, didn't burn oil. We camp in a 3200 lb truck camper, and do not tow ... well, once in a while we tow a dirt bike trailer too, but mostly just the truck camper.
But the rest of the truck was beginning to wear a bit ... and we were beginning to sweat the small inexpensive breakdown (wiring, water pump, or some other twelve year old components) in the middle of nowhere and thousands of mile from home. And, it makes little sense to "predict" a breakdown and replace whatever you have a "hunch" might break either.
So, we traded in and bought a 2015 6.0L HD ... and will probably put 200K on it as well. For another ten grand, and all the upkeep and potential expense of the diesel, we'll pass and keep the Gasser. - I plan on at least 10 more years with my 2015, maybe the space people will stop by and fiddle under the hood during that time frame and I will not need the green nozzle anymore!
IdaD wrote:
troubledwaters wrote:
ppine wrote:
You're also seeing more and more people asking "Will a gasser tow a _________?" Must be some reason they're asking the question.
...We are about to see more diesels in small trucks than ever before...
Because they're cheaper out the door. People do a poor job of assessing the lifetime cost of something like a truck, but they can easily see a $7-10k premium up front.
I don't think diesels are going anywhere anytime soon. Ultimately most fossil fueled IC engines are going to be dead, though.
Most people are instant gratification, not long term. They are more concerned with monthly payments being within a certain range than what the total price is. Salesman actually love this because it means they can screw the customer making more on the back end.
Although, the reason why he is seeing more people ask "Will a gasser tow a _________?" is probably because it is already a given that today's diesel can tow anything they are willing to pull so there is no need to ask.- I sure wouldn't listen to that clown. He's almost run Chrysler into the ground.
troubledwaters wrote:
ppine wrote:
You're also seeing more and more people asking "Will a gasser tow a _________?" Must be some reason they're asking the question.
...We are about to see more diesels in small trucks than ever before...
Because they're cheaper out the door. People do a poor job of assessing the lifetime cost of something like a truck, but they can easily see a $7-10k premium up front.
I don't think diesels are going anywhere anytime soon. Ultimately most fossil fueled IC engines are going to be dead, though.ppine wrote:
You're also seeing more and more people asking "Will a gasser tow a _________?" Must be some reason they're asking the question.
...We are about to see more diesels in small trucks than ever before...- Nonesense. One persons opinion. We are about to see more diesels in small trucks than ever before. We can grow bio-diesel. Those engines will be around when gas engines are antiques.
- It's just one guys opinion. Heck, I just came back from a week in Honduras, and almost every vehicle there was a diesel. My rental, a Chevy Captiva had a peppy little diesel in it too.
ib516 wrote:
Have to agree the need for diesels is less and less every decade. Gas engine technology (like the EcoBoost from Ford) is making diesel less relevant, and the emissions choking that regulators are putting on diesel engines makes them less and less efficient, and extremely costly to produce and repair.
As an example, I bought 6 new Bosch injectors for my then 2002 Dodge/Cummins 5.9L for $300. That's $50 each for NEW injectors. Today, one new injector can cost 20x that ($1000). I would not want to have to foot the repair bill for fixing a 2015+ diesel today. Look at the Ford guys (very few admittedly, but the point is the cost) who had to shell out $18,000 for a new fuel system when the CP4 ate itself.
That's one of the primary reasons I went withj the 6.4L Hemi last time I bought new.
Does a diesel tow a heavy load easier and with better mpg? Yes, absolutely.
But, I could probably buy two or three new 6.4L Hemis for the cost of a Ford 6.7L fuel system.
Add to that the fact that DPF theft is an issue where I live. Thieves prowl around in stolen trucks with cordless sawzalls. The like lifted diesels as they have easy access. Police reports I have read state replacing the hacked exhaust system and DPF is around $10,000 here in Canada.
Just not worth it unless you tow 80% of the time for work or play. Better off to buy a gas engine IMO.
Eh, heck with 2015 or newer. My buddies 2006 Cummins needed 5 grand worth of injectors and labor after a tip broke off at 60K miles. If I'm putting 5 grand into my gasser, that thing better be wining and dining me before it *#$%^'s me.- Isn't Chevy betting on diesels...cars and trucks?
