FCA(Marchionne) says diesel is dead

What's a millenium?
I am 67 and worked in the air quality business for years.

The new ones are quieter though. I had to drive a friends 2008 Tiffin Allegro Bus the other day. It has.8.9 425 Cummins and it was considerably quieter than our 2003 Cummins ISC 350. I’m not mechanically inclined but my guess is probably a combination of exhaust system and injectors. Meh. After 15 years with my Cummins I’m used to her rumble. :). If I want quiet I’ll drive our electric cars. :).

I can maintain and repair my 2014 Cummins diesel truck for the most part. Even my 2014 BMW diesel. I would rather work on that than my wife' gaser. It is not that hard if you take the time to get familiar with it.

Not sure if I could say the same if it were a Duramax or Powerstroke though. I am not knocking them, I am just more familiar with Cummins engines and looking under the hood of my brother's PSD and friend's Dmax just scares the bejesus out of me with all that stuff crammed in there.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Fordlover wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Johno02 wrote:
Plus lots higher maintenance costs.

My diesel never was higher in maintenance costs than my gas trucks.

To be fair, the newest breed of Diesel is a far cry from the good old simple Diesel engine. It's incredibly difficult to go out and buy a new pre-emissions Diesel 1 ton these days in the States.

And todays gas engines aren't? :R LOL
DI engines
Turbos
Cam phasers
Multi cam engines
Multi valve engines
High pressure injectors
5 miles of cam chains
Muti fuel sensors and fuel systems

I've owned both and "my" diesel engines cost less to operate overall than my gas engines. Not a lot, but less. And they sure as hell pulled a LOT better.

For me, it's a simple question of what is available on the market today that I want to drive. I'm sure someone somewhere is driving a really sweet Model T that doesn't need much more than some spark advance and a little oil for the headlamp, but it just doesn't tickle my fancy.

I can buy a new gas V8 that I can maintain and repair. I can't say the same for a new Diesel. I think overhead cams and multiple valve heads have proved they can be very durable over the long run, (Ol' man voice on) and this new fangled fuel injection thing is working out OK too. :B

wilber1 wrote:

BenK wrote:
All electric still does NOT have the duty cycle for towing...hybrid yes, but not all electric

Battery size and cooling of both electric motor/batteries are the current issues

True, that's why trucks are different, but privately owned trucks used as tow vehicles represent a tiny portion of world wide diesel sales.

Difficult too assess. Pickups outside NA are all diesel and sales are increasing dramatically. Commercial operations are also diesel

wnjj wrote:

ppine wrote:
Diesel is the proven technology that powers trucks and most other things world wide. In the US, politics and emission requirements have slowed the acceptance of diesels. The early diesels in the 1980s and early 1990s did not fare that well with the American consumer. A lot them are still on the road however.

Recently there have been several introductions of smaller effecient diesels in 1/2 ton and smaller US trucks. It is likely this trend will continue.

Diesels are born to work. They are scaled down industrial engines with longevity, effeciency and dependability. The more you drive and heavier you go the more you need a diesel.

Diesels will be around long after most gas engines have been retired, because they can run on less refined fuels including biodeisel which we can grow in an agricultural field or a pond. When hydrocarbons become more expensive, then we will be in the Age of Diesels for real.

The US has flirted with $4 plus per gallon gasoline before. Biodiesel is very competitive at those prices. It is a question of time before we get there again. The use of biodiesel made from algae is an ace in the hole. Then we will have an endless sustainable supply of energy for transportation.

Modern pickup diesels are not scaled down industrial engines. They are purposely designed for the task and longevity the need to fit. Maybe the “tractor motor” diesels of yesteryear could be described that way.

The issue with renewable carbon-based fuel is that carbon is out of style and considered pollution. Supply is only half of the concern.

You must be a millennium

FishOnOne wrote:

IdaD wrote:

Bobbo wrote:
It produces 470 lb-ft of torque at 2250 to 3500 RPM..

That's cute. Plus it only comes in a half ton (even cuter).

Compare the EcoBoost emission equipment to your cummins under the hood (cute) and then compare the EcoBoost exhaust to your cummins exhaust (even cuter).

That’s ALL cute. I’ll just run my pre-emissions-nightmare truck that makes more HP and torque than a new one and costs much less to maintain.
It was pretty expensive to build it this way but still less than a new one.
The Eco-Boost is fine for a half-ton that can’t carry my camper or tow my trailer - especially both at same time.

Don’t trade off your old trucks. Just go through them and put everything right.
Some people think I’m crazy to have twice the supposed Blue Book value into my older model. Others understand why I did that.

ppine wrote:
Diesel is the proven technology that powers trucks and most other things world wide. In the US, politics and emission requirements have slowed the acceptance of diesels. The early diesels in the 1980s and early 1990s did not fare that well with the American consumer. A lot them are still on the road however.

Recently there have been several introductions of smaller effecient diesels in 1/2 ton and smaller US trucks. It is likely this trend will continue.

Diesels are born to work. They are scaled down industrial engines with longevity, effeciency and dependability. The more you drive and heavier you go the more you need a diesel.

Diesels will be around long after most gas engines have been retired, because they can run on less refined fuels including biodeisel which we can grow in an agricultural field or a pond. When hydrocarbons become more expensive, then we will be in the Age of Diesels for real.

The US has flirted with $4 plus per gallon gasoline before. Biodiesel is very competitive at those prices. It is a question of time before we get there again. The use of biodiesel made from algae is an ace in the hole. Then we will have an endless sustainable supply of energy for transportation.

Modern pickup diesels are not scaled down industrial engines. They are purposely designed for the task and longevity the need to fit. Maybe the “tractor motor” diesels of yesteryear could be described that way.

The issue with renewable carbon-based fuel is that carbon is out of style and considered pollution. Supply is only half of the concern.

Diesel is the proven technology that powers trucks and most other things world wide. In the US, politics and emission requirements have slowed the acceptance of diesels. The early diesels in the 1980s and early 1990s did not fare that well with the American consumer. A lot them are still on the road however.

Recently there have been several introductions of smaller effecient diesels in 1/2 ton and smaller US trucks. It is likely this trend will continue.

Diesels are born to work. They are scaled down industrial engines with longevity, effeciency and dependability. The more you drive and heavier you go the more you need a diesel.

Diesels will be around long after most gas engines have been retired, because they can run on less refined fuels including biodeisel which we can grow in an agricultural field or a pond. When hydrocarbons become more expensive, then we will be in the Age of Diesels for real.

The US has flirted with $4 plus per gallon gasoline before. Biodiesel is very competitive at those prices. It is a question of time before we get there again. The use of biodiesel made from algae is an ace in the hole. Then we will have an endless sustainable supply of energy for transportation.

Tyler0215 wrote:
I sure wouldn't listen to that clown. He's almost run Chrysler into the ground.

LOL
Best response yet.