fiat vs Cummings diesel

colliehauler wrote:

moe f wrote:

colliehauler wrote:

3 tons wrote:
I enjoy reading all the mythology - in military speak, 'Rumors & Propaganda'...Could be too that Studebaker is coming back - LOL

Better get my order in on a new Golden Hawk.:B

Hey, I had a 56 Golden Hawk. Wish I still had it.

Didn't the Golden Hawk have a supercharged motor and the Silver Hawk a non supercharged motor?

Yep, as I recall the Golden Hawk was a hardtop with a Paxton blower.. Engine was a 333 ci Sweepstakes Special'....

And for more trivia, Cummins WON the 1956 Indy 500 with a Diesel engine - their first and only time out!

spud1957 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

spud1957 wrote:
Based on June '15 numbers, these are the HD vs total sales percentages.

F Series:

357,180 sales/HD sales 140,000 estimated = 39%

Ram:

212,716 sales/HD sales 65,000 estimated = 30%

GM Twins:

376672 sales/HD sales 55,000 estimated = 15%

HD Sales

Truck sales

The numbers you guestimated from the bar are grossly fudged. That bar for Ford is less than half way between 100,000 and 150,000 yet you counted it as being 140,000. It looks more like 120,000 to 125,000. The bar for the Ram is more than half way between 50,000 and 100,000 yet you have it down as 65,000? Huh? Then the GM numbers are half way between 50,000 and 100,000 and you have them at 55,000.

I don't know where in the US that they count half way between 50,000 and 100,000 only being 55,000, but in the rest of the US that is 75,000 which would put the Ram numbers somewhere around 80,000 HD trucks sold.

So it would look more like this

F Series:

357,180 sales/HD sales 123,000 estimated = 34%

Ram:

212,716 sales/HD sales 80,000 estimated = 38%

GM Twins:

376672 sales/HD sales 75,000 estimated = 19%

Sorry my bad. Wasn't anything intentional to fudge the numbers to make one brand look any better than the other! Relax.

I did the math wrong with the lower numbers on the graph.

Also Mr Bock, here's a test for you. Where is PEI?

Sorry, you don't get a pass on graph interpretation just because Shiner uses SAE measurements. However, thanks for the links.

moe f wrote:

colliehauler wrote:

3 tons wrote:
I enjoy reading all the mythology - in military speak, 'Rumors & Propaganda'...Could be too that Studebaker is coming back - LOL

Better get my order in on a new Golden Hawk.:B

Hey, I had a 56 Golden Hawk. Wish I still had it.

Didn't the Golden Hawk have a supercharged motor and the Silver Hawk a non supercharged motor?

colliehauler wrote:

3 tons wrote:
I enjoy reading all the mythology - in military speak, 'Rumors & Propaganda'...Could be too that Studebaker is coming back - LOL

Better get my order in on a new Golden Hawk.:B

Hey, I had a 56 Golden Hawk. Wish I still had it.

ShinerBock wrote:

spud1957 wrote:
Based on June '15 numbers, these are the HD vs total sales percentages.

F Series:

357,180 sales/HD sales 140,000 estimated = 39%

Ram:

212,716 sales/HD sales 65,000 estimated = 30%

GM Twins:

376672 sales/HD sales 55,000 estimated = 15%

HD Sales

Truck sales

The numbers you guestimated from the bar are grossly fudged. That bar for Ford is less than half way between 100,000 and 150,000 yet you counted it as being 140,000. It looks more like 120,000 to 125,000. The bar for the Ram is more than half way between 50,000 and 100,000 yet you have it down as 65,000? Huh? Then the GM numbers are half way between 50,000 and 100,000 and you have them at 55,000.

I don't know where in the US that they count half way between 50,000 and 100,000 only being 55,000, but in the rest of the US that is 75,000 which would put the Ram numbers somewhere around 80,000 HD trucks sold.

So it would look more like this

F Series:

357,180 sales/HD sales 123,000 estimated = 34%

Ram:

212,716 sales/HD sales 80,000 estimated = 38%

GM Twins:

376672 sales/HD sales 75,000 estimated = 19%

Sorry my bad. Wasn't anything intentional to fudge the numbers to make one brand look any better than the other! Relax.

I did the math wrong with the lower numbers on the graph.

Also Mr Bock, here's a test for you. Where is PEI?

“It is unwise to be too sure of one's own wisdom. It is healthy to be reminded that the strongest might weaken and the wisest might err.”
? Mahatma Gandhi

spud1957 wrote:
Based on June '15 numbers, these are the HD vs total sales percentages.

F Series:

357,180 sales/HD sales 140,000 estimated = 39%

Ram:

212,716 sales/HD sales 65,000 estimated = 30%

GM Twins:

376672 sales/HD sales 55,000 estimated = 15%

HD Sales

Truck sales

The numbers you guestimated from the bar are grossly fudged. That bar for Ford is less than half way between 100,000 and 150,000 yet you counted it as being 140,000. It looks more like 120,000 to 125,000. The bar for the Ram is more than half way between 50,000 and 100,000 yet you have it down as 65,000? Huh? Then the GM numbers are half way between 50,000 and 100,000 and you have them at 55,000.

I don't know where in the US that they count half way between 50,000 and 100,000 only being 55,000, but in the rest of the US that is 75,000 which would put the Ram numbers somewhere around 80,000 HD trucks sold.

So it would look more like this

F Series:

357,180 sales/HD sales 123,000 estimated = 34%

Ram:

212,716 sales/HD sales 80,000 estimated = 38%

GM Twins:

376672 sales/HD sales 75,000 estimated = 19%

Based on June '15 YTD numbers, these are the HD vs total sales percentages. I estimated the HD sales as best I could from the bar graphs.

F Series:

357,180 sales/HD sales 140,000 estimated = 39%

Ram:

212,716 sales/HD sales 65,000 estimated = 30%

GM Twins:

376,672 sales/HD sales 55,000 estimated = 15%

HD Sales

Truck sales

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

IdaD wrote:


I believe Ram sells a much higher percentage of heavy duty trucks versus half ton trucks than GM or Ford, and 85% of heavy duty Rams are sold with the Cummins engine. So they'd probably sell a lot fewer trucks.

The Cummins is the single biggest reason I'm driving a Ram today. Swap it with either competitor and I'd most likely own that truck instead.

I disagree with ram selling a higher percentage of the HD trucks. The reason why I say that is because cummins just recently hit the 2 million mark ('12) for engines built for dodge since 1988.

I believe he stated that Ram sales a higher percentage of HD trucks versus their half tons in comparison, not a higher percentage of HD trucks in general. I would be willing to wager the same. Judging from midyear sales data and carrying it over for the rest of the year, the Super Duties probably only made up 30-35% of the total 780k F-series trucks sold last year. The Ram HD looks like it made up closer to 40-45% of the total 451k trucks sold by Ram last year. So what he is saying seems to be true going by the midyear data.

This is exactly what I was trying to say. Ram truck sales are more heavily biased towards heavy duty models versus light duty models compared to Ford or GM. I'd be curious to know what percentage of of Super Duty trucks have the Powerstroke versus the gas motor. As I mentioned, in the Ram HD trucks it's 85% diesel.

I'd go Dmax if Ram didn't offer the Cummins. I don't like Fords warranty record.

I'd also go Ram if gasser.

FishOnOne wrote:

IdaD wrote:


I believe Ram sells a much higher percentage of heavy duty trucks versus half ton trucks than GM or Ford, and 85% of heavy duty Rams are sold with the Cummins engine. So they'd probably sell a lot fewer trucks.

The Cummins is the single biggest reason I'm driving a Ram today. Swap it with either competitor and I'd most likely own that truck instead.

I disagree with ram selling a higher percentage of the HD trucks. The reason why I say that is because cummins just recently hit the 2 million mark ('12) for engines built for dodge since 1988.

I believe he stated that Ram sales a higher percentage of HD trucks versus their half tons in comparison, not a higher percentage of HD trucks in general. I would be willing to wager the same. Judging from midyear sales data and carrying it over for the rest of the year, the Super Duties probably only made up 30-35% of the total 780k F-series trucks sold last year. The Ram HD looks like it made up closer to 40-45% of the total 451k trucks sold by Ram last year. So what he is saying seems to be true going by the midyear data.