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FishOnOne wrote:
I won't be standing in line
I would sure love to try one out. I had the chance to have a F-150 Powerboost for a weekend last year and loved it! It was one fast little truck. I can only imagine what the Lightning is like! :CWade44 wrote:
Meh, it doesn't matter what you have been hearing or doing for 7 years. It's only a matter of time before the tipping point is reached where fuel tax revenue falls off enough to push gubmint to tax EV's in some way to make it up. It may be a mileage tax, a registration tax, or perhaps a surcharge added to your electric bill, who knows what. The certain thing is it's coming and probably soon. Then it will not be cheaper. I would not be surprised if it ends up more expensive.
Nothing suggests it will be cheaper, if history is literally the basis!
Just like anything else, sometimes certain "things" are a "bargain." However, if their popularity increases to the point of being a "necessity" it's certain they won't be a bargain any longer.
The EVers think the little surcharges that states are starting to put on license fees for EVs are their "penalty." It hasn't even started...
Of course, I don't predict the majority of tires on the road will be EV in 5 years. Even 10 seems a stretch, but even if it's 50% at 10 years from now, that's half the gas tax gone. $150/year for EV tags will cover about, none of that loss.
Take the free lunch while it lasts. I do the same, just differently than EV owners. Difference is, I'm clear headed and forward thinking enough to realize that what is a bargain today may not or will not be tomorrow.Huntindog wrote:
Reisender wrote:
I used to dog trial with a fella that camped on a cot.... No tent or shelter of any kind. Most of the time he seemed real happy.Huntindog wrote:
When using a EV to tow an RV, it only works if you are not going very far, AND there is a plug in available when camped.
Forget about boondocking.
I think many people at least want the capability of being able to do that on occasion.
I don’t know. We have been out 4 times this year. All were dry camping. No services. All within a couple hours. But nothing stopping us from going further. We are headed for Quebec from BC. An 8 week 11000 kilometre round trip tour.
And then there are people towing with totally inadaquete lashups....You see them on the highway with their TT dancing all over the road... They seem happy as well.
I guess there is no accounting for expectation levels.
Heh Heh :) Not sure what any of that means but keep on writing the story to suit your narrative. Meantime we'll keep going to places like these we have been to this year already. And we'll sign off there as we'll be on the road for a few days. Time to go camping.
Cheers, safe travels and good health.
Reisender wrote:
I used to dog trial with a fella that camped on a cot.... No tent or shelter of any kind. Most of the time he seemed real happy.Huntindog wrote:
When using a EV to tow an RV, it only works if you are not going very far, AND there is a plug in available when camped.
Forget about boondocking.
I think many people at least want the capability of being able to do that on occasion.
I don’t know. We have been out 4 times this year. All were dry camping. No services. All within a couple hours. But nothing stopping us from going further. We are headed for Quebec from BC. An 8 week 11000 kilometre round trip tour.
And then there are people towing with totally inadaquete lashups....You see them on the highway with their TT dancing all over the road... They seem happy as well.
I guess there is no accounting for expectation levels.Huntindog wrote:
When using a EV to tow an RV, it only works if you are not going very far, AND there is a plug in available when camped.
Forget about boondocking.
I think many people at least want the capability of being able to do that on occasion.
I don’t know. We have been out 4 times this year. All were dry camping. No services. All within a couple hours. But nothing stopping us from going further. We are headed for Quebec from BC. An 8 week 11000 kilometre round trip tour.Reisender wrote:
Meh. We have been hearing that for 7 years since we switched to EV’s. Back then it was 4 times cheaper to drive electric than gas. Now it’s 6 times cheaper.
BC hydro is applying to implement TOU or time of use billing. If they are successful it will be 12 times cheaper to drive electric than gas. Hope they are successful. :).
Meh, it doesn't matter what you have been hearing or doing for 7 years. It's only a matter of time before the tipping point is reached where fuel tax revenue falls off enough to push gubmint to tax EV's in some way to make it up. It may be a mileage tax, a registration tax, or perhaps a surcharge added to your electric bill, who knows what. The certain thing is it's coming and probably soon. Then it will not be cheaper. I would not be surprised if it ends up more expensive.- When using a EV to tow an RV, it only works if you are not going very far, AND there is a plug in available when camped.
Forget about boondocking.
I think many people at least want the capability of being able to do that on occasion. Huntindog wrote:
OK and yet there are actual people on this forum towing with EVs of lesser capability than the Rivian.time2roll wrote:
Ummmm we are on the TOWING FORUM RIGHT? I am sure there is another forum somewhere to talk about commuter/grocery getter vehicles.FishOnOne wrote:
For the narrow specific use of towing a large frontal area trailer up hills and long distance, Yes.
TFL's Ike Gaunlet test of the Rivian pulling a small trailer exposed the poor performance of the batteries capacity which the take away was
electric trucks are not ready to replace ICE trucks anytime soon.
Plenty never tow anything ever.Reisender wrote:
Huntindog wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Ummmm we are on the TOWING FORUM RIGHT? I am sure there is another forum somewhere to talk about commuter/grocery getter vehicles.FishOnOne wrote:
For the narrow specific use of towing a large frontal area trailer up hills and long distance, Yes.
TFL's Ike Gaunlet test of the Rivian pulling a small trailer exposed the poor performance of the batteries capacity which the take away was
electric trucks are not ready to replace ICE trucks anytime soon.
Plenty never tow anything ever.
I don’t know. Lots of people with half tons tow RV’s around here. Most never go more than a couple hours from home because they have to be back at work on Monday. Long haul heavy towing will stay in the realm of gas and diesel vehicles for a few years yet. But many just don’t do that. From personal experience towing with an EV is superior to towing with a gas vehicle. Those who try it will only look forward to the day they switch. We tend to go camping somewhere every week or two with our little trailer and are still amazed how nice of a towing experience it is compared to our previous SUV. To each his own though.
Jmho.
Couple in my extended family rent storage for TT and boat near CG/lake. Their SUV is likely overloaded when they tow TT, but if they go camping twice a month in the summer, less than 150 miles a year. If the E pickup could handle the 2 short tows with TT, 2 with the boat, and the 200 mile round trip home, I could see both their cars could be EVs.FishOnOne wrote:
Reisender wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Reisender wrote:
Huntindog wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Ummmm we are on the TOWING FORUM RIGHT? I am sure there is another forum somewhere to talk about commuter/grocery getter vehicles.FishOnOne wrote:
For the narrow specific use of towing a large frontal area trailer up hills and long distance, Yes.
TFL's Ike Gaunlet test of the Rivian pulling a small trailer exposed the poor performance of the batteries capacity which the take away was
electric trucks are not ready to replace ICE trucks anytime soon.
Plenty never tow anything ever.
I don’t know. Lots of people with half tons tow RV’s around here. Most never go more than a couple hours from home because they have to be back at work on Monday. Long haul heavy towing will stay in the realm of gas and diesel vehicles for a few years yet. But many just don’t do that. From personal experience towing with an EV is superior to towing with a gas vehicle. Those who try it will only look forward to the day they switch. We tend to go camping somewhere every week or two with our little trailer and are still amazed how nice of a towing experience it is compared to our previous SUV. To each his own though.
Jmho.
The Rivian battery capacity is 1 mile/1 percent of battery capacity towing that small load which means the Rivian couldn't even make a 2 hour trip without having to disconnect the trailer and pull into a charging lane which is completely unacceptable.
I don’t know. A few things stand out to me.
- The Rivian battery capacity was 1 mile per 1 percent of battery in a stretch of highway that changed almost 7000 feet in altitude.
- That was a medium range model. That’s probably all they could get for the test.
- it might be just how we use our half tons here but 8100 pounds would not be considered a small load for a half ton. Not necessarily heavy either, but most people around here start to look at 3/4 tons if they are towing north of 8000 pounds regularly. Might just be a regional thing.
Jmho.
Could be but the technology for battery capacity compared to a fuel tank capacity is still a real issue as layed out in the early video I posted by Engineering Explained. A gas truck pulling that same load is able to tow the load to the Ike, perform the test and drive back to their office without refueling.
The battery capacity problem is not as significant in a car but for a truck is a showstopper IMO.
A challenge yes. A showstopper no.
But yah. I think you are correct in as far as seeing 3/4 and 1 tons replaced by electric anytime soon. And diesels are just a whole other category. Before we changed to the motorhome lifestyle we towed with an F350 dually with a 7.3 powerstroke. Great truck.
Safe travels.
